Anong ikakaso niyo? Eh karapatan nila magpalabas ng customer. Private business sila. Hindi government owned. Kung sa tingin nila nakakaabala ka sa ibang customer dahil sa laki ng stroller ng anak nila. Karapatan nila yun. Kita niyo naman na double deck crib na. Sa kinukumpara ang Philippines sa USA HAHAHAH isang malutong na HAHAHAHA masasabi KO. In the first place, first world sila tayo eh
Be realistic. Maraming Filipino ang hindi afford yan. Mas mahal yan nang di hamak sa ibang brands. Quality-wise? Same lang, minsan mas maganda pa local brands. Ang bottomline is may mga taong di afford yan.
OMG! Blind and deaf yung anak nila. Isipin nyo rin ang kapakanan ng bata, yan ilagay sa isip nyo. Pasalamat nlng kayo na wala kayong kapansanan o yung family. Wait until it happens to you at tingnan natin anong masasabi mo. Also, maluwag nmn jan sa H&M, ba't ba ipinagdamot ang extra space?!
kakaloka ka 8:06! anong mindset yan! that’s a big child not a baby so malamang malaki yan. wagon ang tawag dyan. grabe nakakalungkot na ang layo pa ng pinas when it comes to inclusivity. nakaka suka! Lalo ka na! dito sa ibamg bansa they’ll make sure comfortable ang mga pwd as much as possible kasi that’s the least establishments can do for familes with pwd’s. hindi naman ipaparada ung wagon ng bata kung maka sabi ka ng masyadong malaki! gigil mo ko!
Ah so yung bata ang mag-a-adjust para sa yo?? Saan empathy mo? D naman yan maghapon mag shop. Also, nag sorry na yung shop, obviously sila may kasalanan at tanggap nila yun.
Sobrang hirap na ba talagang maging considerate ngayon sa ibang tao? Di naman maliit ang store ng H&M para maging malaking harang yung bata. Also, di naman sila nandiyan ng buong araw.
10:07. Di po sila pwede icompare kasi sa H&M di naman buong store naabala ng bata e. Yung sa nagtatantrum kasi sa plane, long flight yun. Mas closed and limited ang space. Dapat man lang nagreready ng pangdistract sa kids para di nakakaabala sa iba o kahit mabawasan man lang pagtatantrum.
hala bi! kaloka ka, dito sa bansang pinagtatrabahuhan ko, mas prayoridad ang pwd kahit saan. kapag nakasabay mo sa application sila at equally qualified kayo, expect mo na na sila ang mahire, hindi ikaw. hindi nakapagtataka na malayo pa ang pilipinas sa lahat ng aspeto dahil sa kakitiran ng utak kagaya mo
@ 10:07PM - triggered ako sa ispluk mo about children na nagtatantrums sa plane. Sorry pero ginusto nila mag anak at magendure ng tantrums, bakit pati ibang pasahero dapat pahirapan din? I will honestly say na this is the most annoying thing sa flights. Lalo pag puyat ako from working and preps for the trip tapos di ako makatulog sa flight dhil may batang nagwawala. A plane is enclosed environment. hindi kame ang magaadjust dahil nag anak ang mga magulang sa lipunan. Tire your kids out or give them something so that they are calm during the flight lalo kung anxious sila. Hindi dahilan ang "eh bata yan!"! Wag entitled, di namen kasalanan na may bata kayong nilabas sa mundo at isasakay sa eroplano, dont make us suffer for it! If I can hold my farts so that I cant make other passengers suffer the smell e you can calm your kids down for our sanity! Pwede ba!!!
As for this issue, the H&M manager should've been more sensitive but feeling ko dahil sa size ng wagon, para di makaapekto sa iba din na namimili. If I were in their shoes, kung may balak magshop, use a smaller stroller for shopping, or take turns siguro, sa H&M muna yung bibili then the other parent sa ibang section ng mall muna with the kid. I empathize pero wag tayo mashadong entitled. Others' comfort and convenience are just as important as ours. I'm sure people would've given way for them dhil may mga taong disente naman pero since sila yung may special situation, dapat sila ang magisip how to navigate activities in their situation, not make others do it for them.
That’s a wagon and common naman yang type ng stroller na yan, bakit hindi alam na ginagamit ng bata. Lame excuse! If that happened here in the US, law suit na yan!
ako si 10:07 wala akong anak at naunawaan ko mga magulang... hindi rin nila gusto mag tantrums anak nila... malamang siguro nakaabala din kayo sa iba nung bata pa kayo...yung mga katuland mo 2:13 hindi na dapat pinanganak sa totoo lang.. parang hindi ka naging bata
2:13 a plane is a public transportation just like buses, except it’s by air. If parents are not doing anything to calm the kid then I hear your sentiment but if the kid is uncomfortable and still cries we really cannot do anything about it…there are noise cancelling head phones you can use and you can also book your own private jet if you dislike hearing kids when they’re crying. If you live in Canada, I know someone/agency whom you can charter a private plane. You are forgetting that although you chose not to have kids, you do not live in a child free world. You were a child once too, and key word is public…airplanes are public transportation. They’re not specifically for adults only, business or economy, still the same…it’s a public transportation. I had travelled without my kids and I don’t get pissed off when I hear them cry coz they are entitled to be there as their parents paid for their seats. I just put on my head phones. If I travel with my kids, I make sure I do what you said but it is still not a guarantee sometimes. If you’re wondering why we bring kids to planes… why? Are they not entitled to go to places just like you? I like taking my kids to Christmas markets in Europe, and in their March break, we take them to Mexico or somewhere in the Caribbean and also to visit relatives in the States. Us, adults feel too entitled at times, forgetting we share this world with all people across all ages, with or without disability. This is the main issue with this HM fiasco. Here in Canada, nobody cares if you bring a wagon inside the stores whether your kid has a disability or not except in restaurants where there is not enough space, then the wagon is left outside but for a big store like HM, no issues.
2:13 hala buti nalang di ikaw nakasabay ko with my baby. Very concern kasi mga kasabay ko when my baby was having tantrums during flight. Yung iba iinentertain pa sya hanggang sa makatulog. And kinamusta pa si baby ko when we landed. May mga considerate and kind pa din talaga. It really made me happy kasi sobrang stress ng ganung situation di lang si babay ang iisipin mo but also your co passengers kasi nakakadisturb ka na but no buti nalang mababait sila.
2:13 mag hinay hinay ka. Kids cannot control their emotions and reactions adults can. Some kids may have disability too, like autism, adhd among others. Tiring them may not work all the time. You need compassion for them. Airplane is for everyone. Kung feeling entitled ka, mag charter flight ka. Akala mo ba madali sa parents when kids have tantrums? Mag noise cancelling headphones ka or mag wine para kumalma yang sarili mo.
2:13 ang oa mo! Jusko, bumili ka ng sariling eroplano if ayaw mo ng may batang umiiyak during your flight. 🤣 Sana makasabay kita minsan with my kids para may mabulyawan ako! 😂
Wagon kasi yan na na improvise para may canopy. Used for bringing things and yes even bringing children, both able bodied and pwd's. Malawak naman H&M so there's space for everyone kaya di rin naman makatarungan ginawa sa kanila.
@2:13 triggered rin ako sayo about sa batang nagtatantrums sa plane. Wala ka siguro anak. There are many instances where parents have done everything to calm their children down pero meron talagang batang mahirap pakalmahin. Especially sa plane may pressure and enclosed and limited ang space to move around. Imagine the anxiety of the parents thinking about their child and at the same time the people around them who are bothered. Just try to be a little nice and sensitive. Yes nakakairita pero konting understanding and pasensya dahil mahirap talaga.
2:13 airplanes are public transport. bili ka ng private jet mo kung ayaw mo ng mga bata. or mag upgrade ka sa first class kung gusto mo ng privacy. gigil ako sayo! tsaka pwede ba?! halata naman na pang economy lang budget mo eh!
@2:13 AM triggered din ako sa insensitivity mo. I am sure wala kang anak kaya idiotic & very self-centered ng pag-iisip. Yung flight eh shared yan, ano bang paki ng bata kung puyat ka? Kung gusto mo matulog in peace, bumili ka ng private plane mo. Yung mga bata, they are still in need of guidance, right parenting to handle their emotions..hence tantrum. Ikaw matanda ka na pero parang bata pa rin pag-iisip at ugali. Pag nagka anak ka, i hope perfect siya at never ever mag tantrum lalo na sa plane at may makasabay na tulad mong puyat na workaholic..kung hindi, siguro laking hiya mo na dalhin ulit anak mo sa trip with that bratty mindset...wawa naman anak mo.
As for your other insensitive viewpoint, sana yung store manager nag-adjust. It is not every day na may PWD customer silang ganyan na hina-handle. Customer service is basic sa role nya -- ask questions para maging mas knowledgable of the customer's situation, make suggestions to be able to help - yung impt is to offer and be willing to help...nasa position sya na expected ay with higher thinking at emotional capacity but unfortunately, walang nagamit. Ikaw ba yung manager??
10:07 your comparison is totally waay off. Dapat mga bata pala ay tinuturuan na ng discipline and consideration. Hindi dapat tinotolerate ang pagtatantrum in public dahil thats very rude for all the passengers and irresponsible ng mga magulang.
Kung yung size ng stroller ang palusot nila, mas lalong anong klaseng rule ang pagbabawalan ka pumasok sa shop just because may kalakihan ang stroller.
Mas space friendly pa yan kesa sa mga double stroller. Focus on the issue. Whether di nio kadalasan nakikita or di kayo sanay, di dapat nagiiba ang turing sa tao. Walang pananagutan sa mga bagay na niyo alam pr di kayo sanay!
Palusot! Obvious naman kung para saan ang strollers at wheel chairs. Or kung inapproach, kita naman na may batang nakasakay. If you see one in shops, dapat nga mas priority pa sila!
Sna amgkaron ng empathy mga tao lalo s mga pwd.. d nila ginusto n ipnaganak cla n pwd..be respecfuk specially s mga amgualng ng pwd..dmu alm ang pkrdm gst d nyo nrrnasan so pls be respcful
anak ko pwd. minsan naisip ko parang wala silang karapatan mag exist sa napaka judgmental world. nakakasakit ng damdamin. madali lang kasi sabihin ang word na empathy at exclusivity pero in reality, they are still discriminated :(
Pets in stroller are allowed bat yan hinde pinapasok? For me.. kung ako manager Nakita ko may bata sa loob I will let them in. In a glance makikita mo naman na if may disability. Mahina yung manager dito siya ang mali dapat hinde niya yan pinalabas
I want to know the side of the store manager too. Honestly, sometimes ang OA mag rant ng netizens sa FB nila especially if they want to ruin someone or a store's reputation. This post is one-sided. I mean, it's hard to believe a store manager will just be upfront rude at the onset without a tension build up diba?
Oh you haven’t met a lot of rude people then! What kind of reason does the manager need to kick them out? Isa pa, naglabas na ng statement, hindi monnabasa?
I don't think the manager was rude. Feeling ko namisunderstood lang kung ano yung stroller and that there was child in it. Kasi kung ako yun nakakita at first glance, I wouldn't think na jan nakasakay anak niya but then yet, I would still be curious kung anong nakalagay or what's the purpose of the carry on. Plus, parang magkaiba sila ng issue ng manager. The Stoller VS The PWD. I highly doubt na bawal PWD kasi may priority lane jan for them naman. Ang babaw ng reasoning ko.
Not discounting the feelings of the parents and the kid but that’s a wagon.. an oversized one. Even sa product description it was described for outdoor use. I mean, we can push our rights but we also have to asses ourselves and our actions. Maybe nasa store policy kaya ganun ang reaction ng manager. Ang mali ng manager eh pinalabas nya even after seeing na PWD yung kid.
Alam mo kahit na malaki at kung tingin nila mkakaharang yun sa ibang customer, dpat di pa rin sila pinaalis. Pwede namn nila sbihin na kung magstay n lng sa isang lugar duon sa store habang namimili yung isang ksma. Ganun ba. Wala talaga puso yung manager lalo na kung alam nyang pwd yung skay nung stroller
Kawawa naman pero giving the benefit of the doubt sa store man. baka: 1. Pinilit nila ipasok yung stroller sa loob ng fitting room para magsukat, which is not allowed dahil malaki tapos madaming damit ang dala nila 2. naging obstruction yung stroller akala normal wagon lang at hindi nakita bata sa loob 3. pinakiusapan sila na itabi muna yung stroller sa gilid dahil masyadong malaki pero ayaw papigil at nagpupumilit gamitin stroller sa loob
hindi kasi usual yung ganyan design na stroller at lalo na as wheelchair
regardless. Who in the right mind would kick PWD out the store just because of an oversized wagon. Maluluwag din ang H&M store, so I don’t think a wagon would cause obstruction.
Why boycott H&M? It's only the manager's fault not other employees working there. I have shopped in different H &Ms in the Philippines and abroad, I have seen PWDs treated well. That incident is solely on the manager's behavior.
Madami nagsasabi masyado malaki yung stroller para na daw wagon. The fact na pwd and bata ung nakasakay dun why not allow it? Once in a blue moon lang nmn cguro may papasok sa store na may ganyan stroller. If andyan ako I will not be bothered at all!
9:53 Exactly! Dapat naging considerate na lang ang manager alang alang sa bata na PWD sometime people need to bend their rules kung para naman sa may kapansanan na buti nga dun pa sa shop nila gusto ibili ng damit lalo na mag papasko pa baka pang christmas party ng anak. Minsan mga tao kakabwiset na ugali, kulang sa compassion sa kapwa.
224 oo nabasa ko. Side yun ng h&m, not the manager. Shempre Polished version na to protect the company and avoid further scrutiny. Its fair to hear the side directly from the manager since sya yung gusto ng mga tao na i-crucify at mawalan ng kabuhayan.
Is that even considered a stroller? It's really big to be honest, wala masama magtanong sa customer kung ano meron and also the customer can say na the kids are PWD and that is their stroller, magtataka rin ako cause it's really big
Infairness ang ganda ng wagon. Hindi ko mabilhan baby ko nyan dahil ang mahal dto nyan sa Canada. But halos lahat ganyan gamit dito. Pero anyway sabihin na nating nakakaobstruct ng daan or kung ano pa man dahilan ng manager, wala bang empathy? And kung kinausap sila ng maayos edi sana nalaman na may pwd dun. Pero mukhang shinoo na sila agad.
Malaki ang stroller - wagon. Kung pinipilit I pasok Ang ganyan sa dressing room Medyo malaki siya and it will occupy yung space if Konti tao I guess it’s not a problem naman. Pero kung iikot sa loob ng store Wala Naman problema well for me. Anyway waiting for the side of the manager.
Diba nga? I mean like nagtag pa siya ng mga PWD Orgs when the issue all along was the stroller/wagon? Feels like he's using the PWD card to gain wrong awareness/symphaty.
Sobra simple lang namin ng family namin manamit naka tangap kami ng discrimination sa pizza resto na S at dyan. Sa S tagal na kami nag iintay wala lumalalapit nauna pa bago dating ☹️ dyan din sa H&M pag simple lang damit mo wala mag aasikaso sayo lalayuan ka para di ka makapag tanong.
That is for outdoor use. Kahit sa US, sa outdoor yan ginagamit. You cannot say na PWD kasi. PWD can ride a stroller. Even before naman stroller na gamit nila Hindi need ng wagon. Ngayon lang naimbento yang ganyang kalaki.
Not all. My son has mild cerebral palsy kaya kasali ako sa mga cp group. Sa intl cp groups ganyan ang gamit nila for their kids with severe cp. A lot of kids with cp can’t sit. Higa talaga lalo na yun mga hindi nathetherapy kasi nagiging matigas sila in a certain position. Hindi sila nagagalaw para paupuin. masyado masakit or worse baka mabali pa ang buto. Dito sa pilipinas iniiwan na lang sila sa bahay because of that. Kaya din probably madaming hndi pa nakakakita ng mga may severe cp. for context yun sa anak ni saab magalona d pa yun sobrang severe. Ngayon nakikita ko because of that wagon nakakalabas na ang mga may CP. hindi na kailangan yun mga specialized stroller na at least $3-5k.
Seriously? This store is not even considered luxury. Their level is the same as Target or Walmart store in USA. Their quality is not even that great that's why they are affordable.
Technically outdoor wagon po ito and not a stroller. I'm a parent of a PWD too though wala kami sa Philippines. I've used this type before at pinagbawal talaga sya indoors. So bawal sa bus, train, doctor office, shops, etc. Hindi sya considered medical/rehab stroller so hindi sya nag fall under special considerations.
My kid has an adaptive stroller now and eto ung pwed namin madala indoors man o outdoors. I feel for the parents rin kasi this wagon may habe been their best option. Ang mahal talaga ng special needs stroller! Tapos need pa ng kids ng bagong stroller as they grow older. Loan pa ang amin sa insurance - we need to return it kung di na needed ng anak ko.
Sorry to say pero dito sa Pilipinas hindi po uso yan as a stroller,ang mga ganyan wagon na ginagamit kargahan ng mga mabibigat na bagay,bihira kang makakakita ng ganyan as a stroller.
Dito po sa Pilipinas hindi talag gumagamit ng ganyan.Malamang ngayon lang sila nakakita nyan na gamit ng tao.Usually lalagyan yan ng mga bagay na mabigat tulad ng mga balde ng mineral water hindi pang tao.
Baka naman they were approached politely nung una ng manager kaso they reacted violently? And most likely hindi talaga alam na PWD ang anak nila? Actually since may kalakihan nga yata amg wagon, and open naman pala ang store siguro the right term is pinatabi na pwede naman sana nilang kinonsider din..
I will not immediately react on this without hearing both sides of the story. There are times that dahil masyadong emosyonal at sensitive ng mga tao, biglang react agad tapos socmed post pronto ng reklamo-- without resolving the issue with the involved, then yung readers lang naman, biglang sasabihing patalsikin at kokondenahin ang isa, di naman alam ang buong kwento. Yung mga nagsasabing Tulfo agad, guys, kikita ang show nya-- pagkakaitaan lang yung PWD.
Wala sa bundok namin ang ganyan.Hindi normal na makakita ng ganyang stroller kahit ako nalito.Yes have empathy on PWD. Ang karaniwan kasi nakikita sa Pilipinas ay wheelchair o kaya stroller pang toddlers.
If i were H&M kumuha sila ng model na mga PWD.. meron naman bang gumawa nun? If wala pa, be the first! Every month magpalit ng PWD model kesa magbayad sa puro mahal na endorsers.. nakatulong pa sila..
wow great idea... love it... wala pa din ako nakikita na PWD model.. ano ba ang psychology behind marketing?
aah kasi siguro, ang kinukuha na model ng mga brands ay yung tipong, "I want to look like that..."
kung kukuha sila ng PWD dapat may achievement... for example, sumali sa Olympics or nanalo sa isang competition or may ambag sa society... let's be realistic..
Eto lang talaga yung ayaw ko sa panahon ngayon. Yun dinadaan sa public shaming ang lahat ng bagay. Sana pinagusapan na lang ng maayos ng H&M and pamilya. Anyway, the issue concerns them and only them. Ano bang point ng pagpopost pa sa fb? I know siguro nga nasaktan ang pamilya, pero posting on socials is just seeking validation and naghahanap ng kakampi. Will it solve the problem? wala tayo full knowledge ng nangyari, one side ang narinig. We shouldnt be judging pero eto na nga
1:18 Hindi ba sila nag usap ng manager? Hindi ba't pinaalis na nga sila at sinabihan pa na sa iba na mamili. Pinahiya sila diba? Anong gusto mo magpa api na lang ang mga tao at wag na turuan ng leksyon ang mga gumagawa ng mali? Ayos ah!
As a PWD, that's a weird stroller for a deaf and blind person. We don't want making grand entrances and the goal of our therapies is to help us be more self sufficient. That stroller which looks like a rolling coffin tbh - it makes one hell of a grand entrance and doesn't help any PWD become more self sufficient. I think the the poster did it for clout and used a PWD for clicks and views :(
I agree.Yung iba dito sabi nasa US daw or Canada.Seriously,walang ganyan sa Pilipinas.Ngayon ko lang din nakita yan Maski anong brand pa yan.We don't bring that for pwd.Dahil ako ay pwd din at naka wheelchair.
Thank you for understanding. I am a nurse and I sympathize with the family. Pero why publing shaming kaagad and gusto pa i fire daw yong employee. Maybe kailangan lang i train mga empleado to be more emphatic. Give them more education about PWD and how to approach the parents/caregivers if bawal ganyan kalaki. Just educate people so mistakes can be corrected.
Thats a wagon. I'm a physician and big part of my specialization is here in the Philippines working with patients with mobility issues. Thing is nasa Pilipinas 'to and mahal and mahirap makahanap ng specialized adaptive equipment for your disability. Usually abroad pa nanggagaling. Human nature is to adapt find what what works and it seems this family found this wagon na they customized with a canopy to fit their needs. Siguro for them the kid finds it comfortable and they can do their daily activities na bitbit yung kid using that. Ayoko din I judge they way they use it. We actually have the very same wagon a we bought off a garage sale pero nakikita ko din yan sa SnR and my toddler also likes to ride in it or use it as a ball pit. I guess the manager should've hadled it with more empathy. Kung bawal talaga, I think she could've said it better and made parents understand that that thing isn't allowed inside the store. Eh kung nasasabihan nga tayo na bawal magdala ng pagkain sa loob baka naman kaya pagsabihan na bawal outdoor equipment sa store in a nice way.
May nakapansin na niyan na for the clout daw yung parents. Kasi may post ata siya kung ilang likes na yung na received nila. Pinost yun ng commentor at nagreact dun si OP
Wow! Atapang g na g! Ge push mo lang inano ka ba nung manager may atraso ba sya sa iyo? Sorry hindi ako maka manager baka sabihin nyo na enabler ako pero ang OA lang ng comment as in.
Tanong lang bakit hindi double buddy (stroller) yun pang up and down? Yun buggy (stroller) mas safe cause may belt kaysa sa wagon. Delikado parin kasi yan. Walang protection or whatsoever.
I’m against discrimination but parents of disabled children na gaya ko should let their children able to do like what they can do, gaya neto. Their children are deaf and blind but they can sit and walk naman, they should teach them self awareness and how to exist in modern world. I have mobility disability I was sheltered to the point na marami hindi akong pwedeng gawin na kaya ko naman pero ayaw ipagawa sa akin. I understand kung bakit ganun ka protective ang parent, guardians, and friends ko. Ba’t sana parang I was not sheltered to the point na parang I cannot do anything. Now, I realise that was one of causes of my anxiety and depression kasi I end up with low self esteem. And when was watching T.V programs sa Pilipinas about sa mga PWD. Mostly, yun mga reaction was manghan mangha that people with disability can do chores or something. And my kapatid ask those people. “Anong tinging sa mga PWD walang kayang gawin?” Then it hit me na it was the society perception pala talaga.
sino TAYO para magsabi ng "they should"?? hindi natin alam nuances niyan..
point being is dapat sana mas naging considerate na lang yung manager... a little bit of respect at hindi na sana umabot sa ganyan...
just imagine kung ano nararanasan ng mga parents ng PWD lalo na yung mahihirap?? eh mukhang may kaya at nakapag-aral tong parents na ito... hindi sila patitinag... dinala talaga nila sa soc med ang issue and they called attention...
I have a neighbor, na parang kadugo na namin nung bata pa ako... may polio at bulag ang anak niya... at madalas din sila madiscriminate maski saan sila magpunta... maski elementary ako noon, ang sakit sa puso kasi mabuting tao talaga sila...
minsan ayaw sila papasukin sa mga restaurant. hindi naman pinapaliwanag ng guard, basta lang hindi pwede...akala daw yata mamamalimos sila...
tungkol sayo, super love ka ng parents mo... be thankful
this is true. mejo nakakapagtaka nga why this large wagon instead of a stroller or regular wheelchair. i guess the concern of the staff is, kapag ganyan kalaki ang dala sa fitting room it could be used for shoplifting (not saying they were gonna do it, i’m saying the staff may have been worried of possibilities)
Yes..correct hindi sila nagkaintindihan talaga..i have a wagon too and sinasakay ko rin yung anak ko for outdoor area and heavy stuff ko ginagamit ng madalas sa indoor kasi bulky..for sure meron silang wheelchair or bigger stroller since hindi mo naman madadala yan lalo na kung may check up yung bata sa hospital.minsan maliit ang lobby it really takes some space..or kahit sa airport may requirement sa laki ng stroller nag cocomply naman tayo..one thing na nakikita ko dyan is not the disability of the child..may nag shoplift kasi sa mga stores na tinatago sa mga ganyan kaya suspicious agad si manager..pero still may proper approach pa rin ng pag remind sa parents..
I felt bad for the parents. As a single mom raising a child with autism na-experience ko na din na paalisin ng ibang moms sa mga activity centers and arcades. Sensitive sa noise ang anak ko but we’re trying to train her na masanay sa ingay. Unfortunately she had a meltdown and napalo niya yung isang bata. I apologized sa mother ng bata and explained to her that my child is autistic. Nagalit siya sa amin at sinigawan kami na wag ko raw dinadala ang anak ko dahil abnormal siya. Umalis na lang ako ng umiiyak sa establishment habang hawak ko ang anak ko.
Mga ante.Sa totoo lang ha dito sa amin hindi po yan nilalagyan ng tao PWD or not. Ang ganyang wagon lalagyan ng mineral water na gallon.Yung iba pa nga grocery cart nila yan para hindi mabigatan.Wala ka po makikita sa mga mall na ganyan ang lagayan ng tao.
Daming kontrabida dito! Nag sorry na nga si H&M hindi yan mag sosorry kung tingin nila walang ginawang mali ang manager nila duh! tapos kayo panay sisi nyo pa sa magulang ng bata na PWD! Ewan ko sa inyo mga mema!
As a mom, personal preference ko na mag shopping without my kids kasi ang hassle sa kids and sa akin na din mismo. If ako ung nasa situation ng parents, honestly hindi ko gugustuhin na mag libot sa boutiques ng may tinutulak na malaking wagon. Hassle din kasi sa ibang tao. Though ito ay personal preference ko lang lalo na December puno ang malls, am sure siksikan. Anyway, syempre I don’t agree with the manager kasi sapat respectfully nakipag usap. Hindi naman din natin alam ano ang full story pero sana let’s not be rude.
Dapat tanggalin agad pag napatunayan na ginawa Nya talaga. Hindi sya dapat mag trabaho sa mga lugar na kailangan Ang customer service skills . Dapat sa kanya sa kitchen tagahiwa ng sibuyas.
Dapat ma demote o mafire yang manager. Palengkera pa at nakipagsagutan sa parents ng PWD imbes na maka empathize. Pambihira bumibili na nga sa store niya pinagtabuyan pa.
I'm sorry kung may ma offend pero even in a big place like Disneyland doesn't allow big strollers like these. Sa store pa kaya? Yes convenience ng kid or kids nyo ang priority nyo but think of others din. And being PWD doesn't give anyone with disability to be entitled and get whatever they want in expense of others. Maybe, your stroller and other adult can wait outside while you, the mother buy what you need inside the store. And next time, check muna mga restrictions ng establishments na pupuntahan nyo kung ma accommodate yung strollers nyo.
Bawal nga ang wagon sa Disneyland eh, Masyado kasi malaki, also it wont be comfortable for the kid to sit down for long, matigas and does not have much support as that of a stroller. Also, if deaf and blind, hindi ba sya pwede iupo? Masakit sa likod sa bata yan if nakahiga sya the entire duration na nagmamall sila. Lahat ng tagtag ng floor nafifeel nyan. ung may CP nga nakastroller pa din eh. Dapat ireport din sa authority ung parents ng bata at questionin kung medically approved ang wagon nila, kung sakali baka may laban ang manager.
Nakakainis na rin yung ganto, di makuha yung gusto, sumbong sa socmed. Pwede naman ayusin na lang within parties involved. Kelangan involved ang sambayanan. To gain views and sympathy. Dami ng pampam.
Anong pinagmamalaki ng H&M Manager na yan? Eh dto nga di pnapansin yang store na yan, dinadaanan lng! Tapak din sa Lupa if me time, di porke Manager ka eh, manlalait kna ng kapwa mo.
sana kase pinaliwanag ng mabuti, malaki yung stroller sa kitid ng mga space para sa dadaanan ng tao possible na masasakop ng stroller yung area, paano pa kung nakahinto yun kase namimili ng damit. kung para sa anak nya i think mas better na nanay sya kahit d nya kasama anak nya sa pamimili alam nya kung kakasya sa anak nya yun. pde naman na sa labas ng store maghintay habang namimili sya kase sya pa din naman magdedesisyon ano bibilhin nya, ang hirap kaya ng nakahiga ka tapos paikot ikot kayo na possible may struggle pa kung dadaan sa makipot na space para makalapit sa estante ng damit. Sana sinabi ng manager na kung pde wag na lang sya ipasok dahil maliit ang space sa loob hindi yung ipinag tabuyan nya na parang walang pera. kawawa din naman yung mawawala ng work may pamilya din yun. lahat ng bagay pdeng pag usapan ng maayos.
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Isumbong kay Tulfo!
ReplyDeletebakit kay tulfo? report the incident to the proper authorities.
DeleteMabagal pag proper authorities beh
DeleteKung sa US ito nangyari lawsuit katapat ng brand na yan! Dito sa Pinas public apology lang.
Delete8:26 agree. Kun aq lng tulfo agad kun gusto mo ng action
DeleteUsually wala naman pake mga staff ng H&M, I just noticed lang there are certain mall/s na kaht iba ibang store, feeling high and mighty mga staff
DeleteSus. Wag nga kayong ganyan lagi ang cringe! Lagi n lang kayo isumbong kay tulfo tulfo tulfo. Parang mga ewan
Delete826 irerefer ka lang din ni tulfo sa proper authority
DeleteWorst statement ever. Walang ka empathy empathy
Delete10:01 Tama. Dapat may batas na poprotekta sa mga PWDs. Lawsuit dapat para di na maulit
Delete10:01 wag mo igaya sa US,Pilipinas ito!
DeleteTulfo isn't even an authority. Public shaming and sensationalism lang gawa nyan.
DeleteBaka yang mga magulang ang kainisan ng tao dahil sa paglagay sa bata sa loob ng wagon.pwd or not hindi yan pantao.
DeleteAnong ikakaso niyo? Eh karapatan nila magpalabas ng customer. Private business sila. Hindi government owned. Kung sa tingin nila nakakaabala ka sa ibang customer dahil sa laki ng stroller ng anak nila. Karapatan nila yun. Kita niyo naman na double deck crib na. Sa kinukumpara ang Philippines sa USA HAHAHAH isang malutong na HAHAHAHA masasabi KO. In the first place, first world sila tayo eh
DeleteQuestion is ano ang protections ng PWD sa Pinas
Delete2:43 and thank God US is unlike Pinas
DeleteButi na lng di ko afford ganyang mga brand, nkkadissapoint..ako na lng tlga ang makakafeel ng pnghahamak na ganyan.nkakadown
ReplyDeleteHala h&m is entry level.
Delete9:54 it's not even entry level, it's just an ordinary clothing brand LOL
Delete9:54 dear, para sa iba hindi pang “entry level” ang H&M. Good for you kung afford mo pero wag kang ganyan.
DeleteAnd your point is? At least hindi pretentious si 9:54
Delete9:54 kung maka hala ka. Para sa iba hindi pa rin afford ang H&M.
Delete9:54 10:17
DeleteBe realistic. Maraming Filipino ang hindi afford yan. Mas mahal yan nang di hamak sa ibang brands. Quality-wise? Same lang, minsan mas maganda pa local brands. Ang bottomline is may mga taong di afford yan.
8:03 di naman kamahalan mga items dyan. Halos same din sa ibang local brands.
DeleteLuh ang yabang naman. Kaugali ng manager yarn? Eh sa kanya di mya afford bakit nyo tinawanan.
DeleteKami nabibilang kami sa upper class pero namamahalan pa rin ako sa h&m
DeleteMaraming mas mura kasi na Philippine brand
sobrang laki kasi ng stroller, sana isipin niyo din ibang customer
ReplyDeleteOMG! Blind and deaf yung anak nila. Isipin nyo rin ang kapakanan ng bata, yan ilagay sa isip nyo. Pasalamat nlng kayo na wala kayong kapansanan o yung family. Wait until it happens to you at tingnan natin anong masasabi mo.
DeleteAlso, maluwag nmn jan sa H&M, ba't ba ipinagdamot ang extra space?!
kakaloka ka 8:06! anong mindset yan! that’s a big child not a baby so malamang malaki yan. wagon ang tawag dyan. grabe nakakalungkot na ang layo pa ng pinas when it comes to inclusivity. nakaka suka! Lalo ka na! dito sa ibamg bansa they’ll make sure comfortable ang mga pwd as much as possible kasi that’s the least establishments can do for familes with pwd’s. hindi naman ipaparada ung wagon ng bata kung maka sabi ka ng masyadong malaki! gigil mo ko!
DeleteAh so yung bata ang mag-a-adjust para sa yo?? Saan empathy mo? D naman yan maghapon mag shop. Also, nag sorry na yung shop, obviously sila may kasalanan at tanggap nila yun.
Deletehuhu naalala ko tuloy yung napanood ko sa tiktok... yung mga tao na nagagalit dahil may bata na nagtantrums sa eroplano... eh bata yun!
Deletebakit etong henerasyon na to napaka callous?
8:54 Not the child but the parents who can control the situation.
DeletePucha ano yun sakop nya buong store.
Delete8:06 hala oi basa ka ulit. Sna kasi bago manita check muna bkit ano meron bkit malaki ang stroller na gamit.. e kaso power tripping agad.
DeleteSobrang hirap na ba talagang maging considerate ngayon sa ibang tao? Di naman maliit ang store ng H&M para maging malaking harang yung bata. Also, di naman sila nandiyan ng buong araw.
DeleteActually ito yung issue dito not the kid. Kasi nga humongous yung stroller
Delete10:07. Di po sila pwede icompare kasi sa H&M di naman buong store naabala ng bata e. Yung sa nagtatantrum kasi sa plane, long flight yun. Mas closed and limited ang space. Dapat man lang nagreready ng pangdistract sa kids para di nakakaabala sa iba o kahit mabawasan man lang pagtatantrum.
Deletehala bi! kaloka ka, dito sa bansang pinagtatrabahuhan ko, mas prayoridad ang pwd kahit saan. kapag nakasabay mo sa application sila at equally qualified kayo, expect mo na na sila ang mahire, hindi ikaw. hindi nakapagtataka na malayo pa ang pilipinas sa lahat ng aspeto dahil sa kakitiran ng utak kagaya mo
DeleteTrue. Inconsiderate din sila
Delete@ 10:07PM - triggered ako sa ispluk mo about children na nagtatantrums sa plane. Sorry pero ginusto nila mag anak at magendure ng tantrums, bakit pati ibang pasahero dapat pahirapan din? I will honestly say na this is the most annoying thing sa flights. Lalo pag puyat ako from working and preps for the trip tapos di ako makatulog sa flight dhil may batang nagwawala. A plane is enclosed environment. hindi kame ang magaadjust dahil nag anak ang mga magulang sa lipunan. Tire your kids out or give them something so that they are calm during the flight lalo kung anxious sila. Hindi dahilan ang "eh bata yan!"! Wag entitled, di namen kasalanan na may bata kayong nilabas sa mundo at isasakay sa eroplano, dont make us suffer for it! If I can hold my farts so that I cant make other passengers suffer the smell e you can calm your kids down for our sanity! Pwede ba!!!
DeleteAs for this issue, the H&M manager should've been more sensitive but feeling ko dahil sa size ng wagon, para di makaapekto sa iba din na namimili. If I were in their shoes, kung may balak magshop, use a smaller stroller for shopping, or take turns siguro, sa H&M muna yung bibili then the other parent sa ibang section ng mall muna with the kid. I empathize pero wag tayo mashadong entitled. Others' comfort and convenience are just as important as ours. I'm sure people would've given way for them dhil may mga taong disente naman pero since sila yung may special situation, dapat sila ang magisip how to navigate activities in their situation, not make others do it for them.
That’s a wagon and common naman yang type ng stroller na yan, bakit hindi alam na ginagamit ng bata. Lame excuse! If that happened here in the US, law suit na yan!
Delete8:43 walang ganyan sa Pilipinas,sa grocery yan nakikita hindi gamit pantao.
Delete8:06 Gigantic ba yung size ng wagon para iconsider pa ang ibang customers? Kaloka naman opinion mo, hindi mo pinag isipan lol
Deleteako si 10:07 wala akong anak at naunawaan ko mga magulang... hindi rin nila gusto mag tantrums anak nila... malamang siguro nakaabala din kayo sa iba nung bata pa kayo...yung mga katuland mo 2:13 hindi na dapat pinanganak sa totoo lang.. parang hindi ka naging bata
DeleteSa generation namin gen x ako lahat ng pwede para maging convenient pwd na kids eh gagawin, empathy tawag dun
Delete12:14 and 2:13 mas maigi kung mag private jet na lang kayo para di kayo maabala...airplanes are PUBLIC transport.
Deleteeh kung economy lang afford nyo, expect nyo na talaga yang ganyang eksena... mag business class ka kaya 2:13?? kung AFFORD mo!
2:13 a plane is a public transportation just like buses, except it’s by air. If parents are not doing anything to calm the kid then I hear your sentiment but if the kid is uncomfortable and still cries we really cannot do anything about it…there are noise cancelling head phones you can use and you can also book your own private jet if you dislike hearing kids when they’re crying. If you live in Canada, I know someone/agency whom you can charter a private plane. You are forgetting that although you chose not to have kids, you do not live in a child free world. You were a child once too, and key word is public…airplanes are public transportation. They’re not specifically for adults only, business or economy, still the same…it’s a public transportation. I had travelled without my kids and I don’t get pissed off when I hear them cry coz they are entitled to be there as their parents paid for their seats. I just put on my head phones. If I travel with my kids, I make sure I do what you said but it is still not a guarantee sometimes. If you’re wondering why we bring kids to planes… why? Are they not entitled to go to places just like you? I like taking my kids to Christmas markets in Europe, and in their March break, we take them to Mexico or somewhere in the Caribbean
Deleteand also to visit relatives in the States. Us, adults feel too entitled at times, forgetting we share this world with all people across all ages, with or without disability. This is the main issue with this HM fiasco. Here in Canada, nobody cares if you bring a wagon inside the stores whether your kid has a disability or not except in restaurants where there is not enough space, then the wagon is left outside but for a big store like HM, no issues.
2:13 hala buti nalang di ikaw nakasabay ko with my baby. Very concern kasi mga kasabay ko when my baby was having tantrums during flight. Yung iba iinentertain pa sya hanggang sa makatulog. And kinamusta pa si baby ko when we landed. May mga considerate and kind pa din talaga. It really made me happy kasi sobrang stress ng ganung situation di lang si babay ang iisipin mo but also your co passengers kasi nakakadisturb ka na but no buti nalang mababait sila.
Delete2:13 mag hinay hinay ka. Kids cannot control their emotions and reactions adults can. Some kids may have disability too, like autism, adhd among others. Tiring them may not work all the time. You need compassion for them. Airplane is for everyone. Kung feeling entitled ka, mag charter flight ka.
DeleteAkala mo ba madali sa parents when kids have tantrums? Mag noise cancelling headphones ka or mag wine para kumalma yang sarili mo.
2:13 ang oa mo! Jusko, bumili ka ng sariling eroplano if ayaw mo ng may batang umiiyak during your flight. 🤣 Sana makasabay kita minsan with my kids para may mabulyawan ako! 😂
DeleteWagon kasi yan na na improvise para may canopy. Used for bringing things and yes even bringing children, both able bodied and pwd's. Malawak naman H&M so there's space for everyone kaya di rin naman makatarungan ginawa sa kanila.
Delete2:13 triggered ka sa bata sa eroplano ma maingay? They're kids! Use earphones! Ka simple ng solusyon sa problema mo.
Delete@2:13 triggered rin ako sayo about sa batang nagtatantrums sa plane. Wala ka siguro anak. There are many instances where parents have done everything to calm their children down pero meron talagang batang mahirap pakalmahin. Especially sa plane may pressure and enclosed and limited ang space to move around. Imagine the anxiety of the parents thinking about their child and at the same time the people around them who are bothered. Just try to be a little nice and sensitive. Yes nakakairita pero konting understanding and pasensya dahil mahirap talaga.
Delete2:13 airplanes are public transport.
Deletebili ka ng private jet mo kung ayaw mo ng mga bata.
or mag upgrade ka sa first class kung gusto mo ng privacy.
gigil ako sayo!
tsaka pwede ba?! halata naman na pang economy lang budget mo eh!
@2:13 AM triggered din ako sa insensitivity mo. I am sure wala kang anak kaya idiotic & very self-centered ng pag-iisip. Yung flight eh shared yan, ano bang paki ng bata kung puyat ka? Kung gusto mo matulog in peace, bumili ka ng private plane mo. Yung mga bata, they are still in need of guidance, right parenting to handle their emotions..hence tantrum. Ikaw matanda ka na pero parang bata pa rin pag-iisip at ugali. Pag nagka anak ka, i hope perfect siya at never ever mag tantrum lalo na sa plane at may makasabay na tulad mong puyat na workaholic..kung hindi, siguro laking hiya mo na dalhin ulit anak mo sa trip with that bratty mindset...wawa naman anak mo.
DeleteAs for your other insensitive viewpoint, sana yung store manager nag-adjust. It is not every day na may PWD customer silang ganyan na hina-handle. Customer service is basic sa role nya -- ask questions para maging mas knowledgable of the customer's situation, make suggestions to be able to help - yung impt is to offer and be willing to help...nasa position sya na expected ay with higher thinking at emotional capacity but unfortunately, walang nagamit. Ikaw ba yung manager??
10:07 your comparison is totally waay off. Dapat mga bata pala ay tinuturuan na ng discipline and consideration. Hindi dapat tinotolerate ang pagtatantrum in public dahil thats very rude for all the passengers and irresponsible ng mga magulang.
DeleteSo, hindi nakita ng store manager yung bata sa ilalim? Another lame excuse… palusot.com
ReplyDeleteKung yung size ng stroller ang palusot nila, mas lalong anong klaseng rule ang pagbabawalan ka pumasok sa shop just because may kalakihan ang stroller.
ReplyDeleteKasi di naman yan stroller na regular. Wagon yan eh
Delete8:46 haha may point ka, when i think of a stroller not that kind of size but I'm with the family
DeleteSo what, Ive used wagons without a problem shopping
DeleteSobrang laki nyan te, d na yan stroller halos prang stretcher n yan s ospital.
DeleteI agree with 8:46, Hindi yan common na makita mo as a stroller sa mall.Mga grocery namin nakikita yan pambuhat ng bagay na mabugat
Delete10:27 that's the point.we don't see that being used for people.We see wagons used as grocery carts.
DeleteMas space friendly pa yan kesa sa mga double stroller. Focus on the issue. Whether di nio kadalasan nakikita or di kayo sanay, di dapat nagiiba ang turing sa tao. Walang pananagutan sa mga bagay na niyo alam pr di kayo sanay!
Delete10:27 yes that kind of wagon is being used for heavy grocery items and not for people.
DeleteGrabe naman, nasaktan ako para sa mga magulang
ReplyDeleteAko din po. Nakakalungkot 🥺
Delete8:09 totoo! Masakit para sa parents ng PWD ang ganyan. Hindi man lang naging considerate yung manager.
DeleteHindi yan nagkapaliwanagan ng maayos.Malamang hindi alam na para sa pwd pala
DeletePalusot! Obvious naman kung para saan ang strollers at wheel chairs. Or kung inapproach, kita naman na may batang nakasakay. If you see one in shops, dapat nga mas priority pa sila!
ReplyDeleteboycott na lang h&m mas maganda if d nila paaalisin yung manager na yun. para mas ramdam nila effect ng kabastusan na ginawa.
ReplyDeleteBakit mo naman gustong madamay yung ibang employee dahil lang sa kamalian ng Manager?
DeleteGrabe 😐 nakakapanlumo ito
ReplyDeleteSna amgkaron ng empathy mga tao lalo s mga pwd.. d nila ginusto n ipnaganak cla n pwd..be respecfuk specially s mga amgualng ng pwd..dmu alm ang pkrdm gst d nyo nrrnasan so pls be respcful
ReplyDeleteanak ko pwd. minsan naisip ko parang wala silang karapatan mag exist sa napaka judgmental world. nakakasakit ng damdamin. madali lang kasi sabihin ang word na empathy at exclusivity pero in reality, they are still discriminated :(
DeleteYou made me tear up 8:20. Thank you for your understanding.
DeleteMay empathy naman karamihan ng tao pero I think nalito sila kung ano yung wagon dahil hindinito common.Nag create ng confusion.
DeletePets in stroller are allowed bat yan hinde pinapasok? For me.. kung ako manager Nakita ko may bata sa loob I will let them in. In a glance makikita mo naman na if may disability. Mahina yung manager dito siya ang mali dapat hinde niya yan pinalabas
ReplyDeleteMukha bang stroller yan? Wagon na malaki di ba.Hindi sanay ang tao makakita ng ganyan.
DeleteAlam nyo yang wagon pang kariton yan ng mga mabigat na gamit.
DeleteI want to know the side of the store manager too. Honestly, sometimes ang OA mag rant ng netizens sa FB nila especially if they want to ruin someone or a store's reputation. This post is one-sided. I mean, it's hard to believe a store manager will just be upfront rude at the onset without a tension build up diba?
ReplyDeleteOh you haven’t met a lot of rude people then! What kind of reason does the manager need to kick them out? Isa pa, naglabas na ng statement, hindi monnabasa?
DeleteNa kick out yan dahil sa wagon,ay mam bawal po yan sa store. Ang isip nila bakit naman ang bata isinakay sa wagon?
DeleteI don't think the manager was rude. Feeling ko namisunderstood lang kung ano yung stroller and that there was child in it. Kasi kung ako yun nakakita at first glance, I wouldn't think na jan nakasakay anak niya but then yet, I would still be curious kung anong nakalagay or what's the purpose of the carry on. Plus, parang magkaiba sila ng issue ng manager. The Stoller VS The PWD. I highly doubt na bawal PWD kasi may priority lane jan for them naman. Ang babaw ng reasoning ko.
DeleteFire the ignorant manager. A very good manager would know how to handle that simple situation ng di na umabot sa distress ang customer.
ReplyDelete8:23 Exactly! Managers should know how to handle different situations na hindi ikasisira ng image ng store nila. So fire that rude manager!
DeleteHow would they know if they haven't seen this kind.It is not common in the Philippines.
DeleteNot discounting the feelings of the parents and the kid but that’s a wagon.. an oversized one. Even sa product description it was described for outdoor use. I mean, we can push our rights but we also have to asses ourselves and our actions. Maybe nasa store policy kaya ganun ang reaction ng manager. Ang mali ng manager eh pinalabas nya even after seeing na PWD yung kid.
ReplyDeleteAlam mo kahit na malaki at kung tingin nila mkakaharang yun sa ibang customer, dpat di pa rin sila pinaalis. Pwede namn nila sbihin na kung magstay n lng sa isang lugar duon sa store habang namimili yung isang ksma. Ganun ba. Wala talaga puso yung manager lalo na kung alam nyang pwd yung skay nung stroller
Delete10:26 alam mo yun na nga yung sinabi sa last part. Dapat hindi pinalabas
DeleteAng mali kasi dyan hindi nagkaintindihan sa laki ng wagon,hindi alam para saan yun.
DeleteCommon naman na makakita ng wagon na ganyan pangbuhat ng bagay bagay.
DeleteKawawa naman pero giving the benefit of the doubt sa store man. baka:
ReplyDelete1. Pinilit nila ipasok yung stroller sa loob ng fitting room para magsukat, which is not allowed dahil malaki tapos madaming damit ang dala nila
2. naging obstruction yung stroller akala normal wagon lang at hindi nakita bata sa loob
3. pinakiusapan sila na itabi muna yung stroller sa gilid dahil masyadong malaki pero ayaw papigil at nagpupumilit gamitin stroller sa loob
hindi kasi usual yung ganyan design na stroller at lalo na as wheelchair
regardless. Who in the right mind would kick PWD out the store just because of an oversized wagon. Maluluwag din ang H&M store, so I don’t think a wagon would cause obstruction.
DeletePwd or not,wala pa kaming nakita na pinasakay sa wagon.Sanay ang tao na nasa wheelchair of stroller.
Deletehindi nya alam na pwd yan, ang nakita nila ay nalaking kariton
DeleteVery one sided.
ReplyDelete8:58 Mag sosorry ba ang H&M kung di sila aminado na may mali ang manager nila? One sided ka dyan!
DeleteWhy boycott H&M? It's only the manager's fault not other employees working there. I have shopped in different H &Ms in the Philippines and abroad, I have seen PWDs treated well. That incident is solely on the manager's behavior.
ReplyDeleteits actually the parents fault.
DeleteKung yung mga aso nga pinapapasok!
ReplyDeleteAnte maskinikaw o ako nakakapasok,wag OA!
Deleteyang wagon nakikita na ginagamit sa mga bagay at aso bakit naman ginamit sa pwd.
DeleteMadami nagsasabi masyado malaki yung stroller para na daw wagon. The fact na pwd and bata ung nakasakay dun why not allow it? Once in a blue moon lang nmn cguro may papasok sa store na may ganyan stroller. If andyan ako I will not be bothered at all!
ReplyDeleteHindi yan common,mas sanay ang tao na wheelchair o kaya stroller talaga.Yung magulang dapat before nakipagtalo sinabi agad na pwd.
Delete9:53 Exactly! Dapat naging considerate na lang ang manager alang alang sa bata na PWD sometime people need to bend their rules kung para naman sa may kapansanan na buti nga dun pa sa shop nila gusto ibili ng damit lalo na mag papasko pa baka pang christmas party ng anak. Minsan mga tao kakabwiset na ugali, kulang sa compassion sa kapwa.
Delete2:05 Paano mo naman nasabi na hindi ng magulang nasabi na PWD ang anak nila bago nakipag talo? Nandun ka ba sa mismong incident?
Delete2:27 hindi naman siguro assuming ang lahat ng tao na pwd ang nasa loob ng kariton. That wagon is hideous.
DeleteWhats the manager’s side? Are the claims even true… not cause they have the pwd, they hold the truth.
ReplyDeleteI agree.
DeleteNabasa mo ung statement? Un u g side ng manager!
Delete224 oo nabasa ko. Side yun ng h&m, not the manager. Shempre Polished version na to protect the company and avoid further scrutiny. Its fair to hear the side directly from the manager since sya yung gusto ng mga tao na i-crucify at mawalan ng kabuhayan.
DeleteI refuse to boycott and make judgments until I hear the other side. I’ve been burned by one sided hearsays before.
ReplyDeleteI agree.Nagkalituhan yan mga staff dyan sa loob ng store.My heart goes out to the PWD pero intindihin din natin yung nasa store.
DeleteWala bang screenshot?
DeleteIs that even considered a stroller? It's really big to be honest, wala masama magtanong sa customer kung ano meron and also the customer can say na the kids are PWD and that is their stroller, magtataka rin ako cause it's really big
ReplyDeleteInfairness ang ganda ng wagon. Hindi ko mabilhan baby ko nyan dahil ang mahal dto nyan sa Canada. But halos lahat ganyan gamit dito. Pero anyway sabihin na nating nakakaobstruct ng daan or kung ano pa man dahilan ng manager, wala bang empathy? And kung kinausap sila ng maayos edi sana nalaman na may pwd dun. Pero mukhang shinoo na sila agad.
ReplyDeletewalang gumagamit ng ganyan sa Pilipinas,Ang ganyan,lalagyan ng mga gamit hindi tao.
DeleteMalaki ang stroller - wagon.
ReplyDeleteKung pinipilit I pasok Ang ganyan sa dressing room Medyo malaki siya and it will occupy yung space if Konti tao I guess it’s not a problem naman. Pero kung iikot sa loob ng store Wala
Naman problema well for me. Anyway waiting for the side of the manager.
Malamang yan nabigla din ang nasa h and m.PWD usually naka wheelchair or naka stroller na pang bata.
DeleteAlin ba ang bawal, pwd o yang wagon?
ReplyDeleteMagkaiba kasi yun.
This!
DeleteDiba nga? I mean like nagtag pa siya ng mga PWD Orgs when the issue all along was the stroller/wagon? Feels like he's using the PWD card to gain wrong awareness/symphaty.
DeleteSobra simple lang namin ng family namin manamit naka tangap kami ng discrimination sa pizza resto na S at dyan. Sa S tagal na kami nag iintay wala lumalalapit nauna pa bago dating ☹️ dyan din sa H&M pag simple lang damit mo wala mag aasikaso sayo lalayuan ka para di ka makapag tanong.
ReplyDeleteLahat naman inaasikaso nila,wala naman akong nakitang bias. Kalokohan yan.ganyan.
DeleteI don't think the shop is anti pwd. I am pwd and I always go there.
DeleteThat is for outdoor use. Kahit sa US, sa outdoor yan ginagamit. You cannot say na PWD kasi. PWD can ride a stroller. Even before naman stroller na gamit nila Hindi need ng wagon. Ngayon lang naimbento yang ganyang kalaki.
ReplyDeleteNot all. My son has mild cerebral palsy kaya kasali ako sa mga cp group. Sa intl cp groups ganyan ang gamit nila for their kids with severe cp. A lot of kids with cp can’t sit. Higa talaga lalo na yun mga hindi nathetherapy kasi nagiging matigas sila in a certain position. Hindi sila nagagalaw para paupuin. masyado masakit or worse baka mabali pa ang buto. Dito sa pilipinas iniiwan na lang sila sa bahay because of that. Kaya din probably madaming hndi pa nakakakita ng mga may severe cp. for context yun sa anak ni saab magalona d pa yun sobrang severe. Ngayon nakikita ko because of that wagon nakakalabas na ang mga may CP. hindi na kailangan yun mga specialized stroller na at least $3-5k.
DeleteNot all PWD can ride a stroller, fyi. Wag magmarunong.
DeleteArte nyo. Basta may PWD grant them all the access they deserve. Dapat nga special at priority pa treatment sa kanila.
DeleteIm a pwd,I have a wheelchair.May mga bata naman naka stroller or wheelchair na pangbata,wala pa kaming nakitang ganyan ang gamit.
Delete12:55 so ano pala yan,wagon? Hindi yan makatao! Grocery cart nilagyan ng bata.
Delete2:04 I agree! May special needs nga ang bata baka nga wagon ang pinag lagyan sa kanya kasi baka hindi pwede sa stroller lang.
DeleteSeriously? This store is not even considered luxury. Their level is the same as Target or Walmart store in USA. Their quality is not even that great that's why they are affordable.
ReplyDeleteIs that a stroller
ReplyDeleteMisunderstanding lang to tingin ko. Kasi ang laki ng stroller prang stretcher nga ng ospital s laki. 😆
ReplyDeleteOpo tingin ko din nabigla ang mga staff kasi bago yan sa paningin.Hindi yan uso sa Pilipinas.Malay ba nila na stroller pala yan.
DeletePWD or not, seriously? Strollers are not allowed in the store? Is your store size 4x4?
ReplyDeleteSorry,that doesn't look like a stroller.How would the cashier know that the child is pwd if it was not explained to them.properly.
DeleteThat is not a stroller.
DeleteTechnically outdoor wagon po ito and not a stroller. I'm a parent of a PWD too though wala kami sa Philippines. I've used this type before at pinagbawal talaga sya indoors. So bawal sa bus, train, doctor office, shops, etc. Hindi sya considered medical/rehab stroller so hindi sya nag fall under special considerations.
ReplyDeleteMy kid has an adaptive stroller now and eto ung pwed namin madala indoors man o outdoors. I feel for the parents rin kasi this wagon may habe been their best option. Ang mahal talaga ng special needs stroller! Tapos need pa ng kids ng bagong stroller as they grow older. Loan pa ang amin sa insurance - we need to return it kung di na needed ng anak ko.
Sorry to say pero dito sa Pilipinas hindi po uso yan as a stroller,ang mga ganyan wagon na ginagamit kargahan ng mga mabibigat na bagay,bihira kang makakakita ng ganyan as a stroller.
DeleteDito po sa Pilipinas hindi talag gumagamit ng ganyan.Malamang ngayon lang sila nakakita nyan na gamit ng tao.Usually lalagyan yan ng mga bagay na mabigat tulad ng mga balde ng mineral water hindi pang tao.
DeleteSorry po wala po kasing gumagamit ng ganyan sa Pilipinas.It is very unusual.
DeleteBaka naman they were approached politely nung una ng manager kaso they reacted violently? And most likely hindi talaga alam na PWD ang anak nila? Actually since may kalakihan nga yata amg wagon, and open naman pala ang store siguro the right term is pinatabi na pwede naman sana nilang kinonsider din..
ReplyDeletePilipinas,hindi usual na makakita ka ng ganyang klase ng stroller.Grocery cart yang ganyan na style ng wagon.
DeleteI agree.hindi nila naipaliwanag ng maayos para saan ba yung ganyang sasakyan.Kasi wagon yan na lalagyan ng mga grocery.
DeleteI will not immediately react on this without hearing both sides of the story.
ReplyDeleteThere are times that dahil masyadong emosyonal at sensitive ng mga tao, biglang react agad tapos socmed post pronto ng reklamo-- without resolving the issue with the involved, then yung readers lang naman, biglang sasabihing patalsikin at kokondenahin ang isa, di naman alam ang buong kwento.
Yung mga nagsasabing Tulfo agad, guys, kikita ang show nya-- pagkakaitaan lang yung PWD.
Yes, wag tayong one sided.Mahirap yung isang panig lang ang pinapaniwalaan.
DeletePara naman kasing crib with wheels yan eh. Hindi na yan stroller
ReplyDeleteWala sa bundok namin ang ganyan.Hindi normal na makakita ng ganyang stroller kahit ako nalito.Yes have empathy on PWD. Ang karaniwan kasi nakikita sa Pilipinas ay wheelchair o kaya stroller pang toddlers.
Delete1:56 nasa siyuded tayo hindi sa bundok. Lawakan din ang knowledge para di mukhang sh**ga
DeleteIf i were H&M kumuha sila ng model na mga PWD.. meron naman bang gumawa nun? If wala pa, be the first! Every month magpalit ng PWD model kesa magbayad sa puro mahal na endorsers.. nakatulong pa sila..
ReplyDeleteLets be honest though, hindi masyado makakarelate ang target market nila. Syempre pera pera pa din yan in the end
Deletewow great idea... love it... wala pa din ako nakikita na PWD model.. ano ba ang psychology behind marketing?
Deleteaah kasi siguro, ang kinukuha na model ng mga brands ay yung tipong, "I want to look like that..."
kung kukuha sila ng PWD dapat may achievement... for example, sumali sa Olympics or nanalo sa isang competition or may ambag sa society... let's be realistic..
Madami nang brands gumagawa nyan
DeleteEto lang talaga yung ayaw ko sa panahon ngayon. Yun dinadaan sa public shaming ang lahat ng bagay. Sana pinagusapan na lang ng maayos ng H&M and pamilya. Anyway, the issue concerns them and only them. Ano bang point ng pagpopost pa sa fb? I know siguro nga nasaktan ang pamilya, pero posting on socials is just seeking validation and naghahanap ng kakampi. Will it solve the problem? wala tayo full knowledge ng nangyari, one side ang narinig. We shouldnt be judging pero eto na nga
ReplyDelete1:18 Hindi ba sila nag usap ng manager? Hindi ba't pinaalis na nga sila at sinabihan pa na sa iba na mamili. Pinahiya sila diba? Anong gusto mo magpa api na lang ang mga tao at wag na turuan ng leksyon ang mga gumagawa ng mali? Ayos ah!
DeleteI agree.You cannot gain sympathy that way.Sana inexplain din nila doon sa staff ng maayos.
Delete2:22 you did not hear that conversation e. was everything in the post 100% true?
DeleteAs a PWD, that's a weird stroller for a deaf and blind person. We don't want making grand entrances and the goal of our therapies is to help us be more self sufficient. That stroller which looks like a rolling coffin tbh - it makes one hell of a grand entrance and doesn't help any PWD become more self sufficient. I think the the poster did it for clout and used a PWD for clicks and views :(
ReplyDeleteI agree.Yung iba dito sabi nasa US daw or Canada.Seriously,walang ganyan sa Pilipinas.Ngayon ko lang din nakita yan
DeleteMaski anong brand pa yan.We don't bring that for pwd.Dahil ako ay pwd din at naka wheelchair.
Thank you for understanding. I am a nurse and I sympathize with the family. Pero why publing shaming kaagad and gusto pa i fire daw yong employee. Maybe kailangan lang i train mga empleado to be more emphatic. Give them more education about PWD and how to approach the parents/caregivers if bawal ganyan kalaki. Just educate people so mistakes can be corrected.
DeleteFor placing their child in a wagon, a lot of people in the Philippines will complain about the parents.Hindi yan alam as stroller.
DeleteThats a wagon. I'm a physician and big part of my specialization is here in the Philippines working with patients with mobility issues. Thing is nasa Pilipinas 'to and mahal and mahirap makahanap ng specialized adaptive equipment for your disability. Usually abroad pa nanggagaling. Human nature is to adapt find what what works and it seems this family found this wagon na they customized with a canopy to fit their needs. Siguro for them the kid finds it comfortable and they can do their daily activities na bitbit yung kid using that. Ayoko din I judge they way they use it. We actually have the very same wagon a we bought off a garage sale pero nakikita ko din yan sa SnR and my toddler also likes to ride in it or use it as a ball pit.
DeleteI guess the manager should've hadled it with more empathy. Kung bawal talaga, I think she could've said it better and made parents understand that that thing isn't allowed inside the store. Eh kung nasasabihan nga tayo na bawal magdala ng pagkain sa loob baka naman kaya pagsabihan na bawal outdoor equipment sa store in a nice way.
May nakapansin na niyan na for the clout daw yung parents. Kasi may post ata siya kung ilang likes na yung na received nila. Pinost yun ng commentor at nagreact dun si OP
DeleteSino ba yang manager na yan at mapuntahan nya sa branch na yan at pag sasalitaan ko talaga.
ReplyDeleteWow! Atapang g na g! Ge push mo lang inano ka ba nung manager may atraso ba sya sa iyo? Sorry hindi ako maka manager baka sabihin nyo na enabler ako pero ang OA lang ng comment as in.
Deletewag kang magpadala agad sa emotions mo. try to look at it objectively.
DeleteTanong lang bakit hindi double buddy (stroller) yun pang up and down? Yun buggy (stroller) mas safe cause may belt kaysa sa wagon. Delikado parin kasi yan. Walang protection or whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteI’m against discrimination but parents of disabled children na gaya ko should let their children able to do like what they can do, gaya neto. Their children are deaf and blind but they can sit and walk naman, they should teach them self awareness and how to exist in modern world. I have mobility disability I was sheltered to the point na marami hindi akong pwedeng gawin na kaya ko naman pero ayaw ipagawa sa akin. I understand kung bakit ganun ka protective ang parent, guardians, and friends ko. Ba’t sana parang I was not sheltered to the point na parang I cannot do anything. Now, I realise that was one of causes of my anxiety and depression kasi I end up with low self esteem. And when was watching T.V programs sa Pilipinas about sa mga PWD. Mostly, yun mga reaction was manghan mangha that people with disability can do chores or something. And my kapatid ask those people. “Anong tinging sa mga PWD walang kayang gawin?” Then it hit me na it was the society perception pala talaga.
Out of topic but share ko lang.
sino TAYO para magsabi ng "they should"?? hindi natin alam nuances niyan..
Deletepoint being is dapat sana mas naging considerate na lang yung manager... a little bit of respect at hindi na sana umabot sa ganyan...
just imagine kung ano nararanasan ng mga parents ng PWD lalo na yung mahihirap?? eh mukhang may kaya at nakapag-aral tong parents na ito... hindi sila patitinag... dinala talaga nila sa soc med ang issue and they called attention...
I have a neighbor, na parang kadugo na namin nung bata pa ako... may polio at bulag ang anak niya... at madalas din sila madiscriminate maski saan sila magpunta... maski elementary ako noon, ang sakit sa puso kasi mabuting tao talaga sila...
minsan ayaw sila papasukin sa mga restaurant. hindi naman pinapaliwanag ng guard, basta lang hindi pwede...akala daw yata mamamalimos sila...
tungkol sayo, super love ka ng parents mo... be thankful
this is true. mejo nakakapagtaka nga why this large wagon instead of a stroller or regular wheelchair. i guess the concern of the staff is, kapag ganyan kalaki ang dala sa fitting room it could be used for shoplifting (not saying they were gonna do it, i’m saying the staff may have been worried of possibilities)
DeleteYes..correct hindi sila nagkaintindihan talaga..i have a wagon too and sinasakay ko rin yung anak ko for outdoor area and heavy stuff ko ginagamit ng madalas sa indoor kasi bulky..for sure meron silang wheelchair or bigger stroller since hindi mo naman madadala yan lalo na kung may check up yung bata sa hospital.minsan maliit ang lobby it really takes some space..or kahit sa airport may requirement sa laki ng stroller nag cocomply naman tayo..one thing na nakikita ko dyan is not the disability of the child..may nag shoplift kasi sa mga stores na tinatago sa mga ganyan kaya suspicious agad si manager..pero still may proper approach pa rin ng pag remind sa parents..
DeleteI felt bad for the parents. As a single mom raising a child with autism na-experience ko na din na paalisin ng ibang moms sa mga activity centers and arcades. Sensitive sa noise ang anak ko but we’re trying to train her na masanay sa ingay. Unfortunately she had a meltdown and napalo niya yung isang bata. I apologized sa mother ng bata and explained to her that my child is autistic. Nagalit siya sa amin at sinigawan kami na wag ko raw dinadala ang anak ko dahil abnormal siya. Umalis na lang ako ng umiiyak sa establishment habang hawak ko ang anak ko.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry.
DeleteAlam mo meron ako former friend... minsan kumakain kami sa restaurant... tapos may bata na lumapit sa table namin at pinaglaruan yung pagkain..
Ngumiti lang ako habang yung former friend ko sobrang simangot...
tapos lumapit yung nanay ng bata... nag sorry... sabi nya may autism ang anak niya...
Ngumiti lang ako sa mag-ina..
tapos yung former friend ko, sobrang eye roll at asar na asar.
ayun naging polite lang ako that night... pero after nun hindi ko na nireply messages ng former friend ko na yun...
red flag kasi sa akin mga ganyang tao... walang empathy sa bata...
Mga ante.Sa totoo lang ha dito sa amin hindi po yan nilalagyan ng tao PWD or not. Ang ganyang wagon lalagyan ng mineral water na gallon.Yung iba pa nga grocery cart nila yan para hindi mabigatan.Wala ka po makikita sa mga mall na ganyan ang lagayan ng tao.
ReplyDeletepang bata talaga yang wagon na yan..
Deletei was wondering why it’s not a regular wheelchair
DeleteIgnorante. May wagon talaga made for kids especially those with disabilities! My gosh!
DeleteSorry ha,mukhang malaki na siya to be in that weird stroller.
ReplyDeleteBlind and deaf daw
DeleteYes and he can't walk nga
Delete233 PWD nga eeeeeee
DeleteMay wheelchair naman na pang bata.These parents are attention seekers.
DeleteIts not even a stroller.Its a wagon for carrying heavy objects.
Deleteblind and deaf daw
DeleteDaming kontrabida dito! Nag sorry na nga si H&M hindi yan mag sosorry kung tingin nila walang ginawang mali ang manager nila duh! tapos kayo panay sisi nyo pa sa magulang ng bata na PWD! Ewan ko sa inyo mga mema!
ReplyDeletecompensation yan kung sa america. konting compassion naman sana
ReplyDeleteHala. Feeling luxury ang branch na yan. 🙄
ReplyDeleteAs a mom, personal preference ko na mag shopping without my kids kasi ang hassle sa kids and sa akin na din mismo. If ako ung nasa situation ng parents, honestly hindi ko gugustuhin na mag libot sa boutiques ng may tinutulak na malaking wagon. Hassle din kasi sa ibang tao. Though ito ay personal preference ko lang lalo na December puno ang malls, am sure siksikan. Anyway, syempre I don’t agree with the manager kasi sapat respectfully nakipag usap. Hindi naman din natin alam ano ang full story pero sana let’s not be rude.
ReplyDeleteIf this happened at an H&M here is the US, they will get sued right away!
ReplyDeleteDapat tanggalin agad pag napatunayan na ginawa Nya talaga. Hindi sya dapat mag trabaho sa mga lugar na kailangan Ang customer service skills . Dapat sa kanya sa kitchen tagahiwa ng sibuyas.
ReplyDeleteDapat ma demote o mafire yang manager. Palengkera pa at nakipagsagutan sa parents ng PWD imbes na maka empathize. Pambihira bumibili na nga sa store niya pinagtabuyan pa.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry kung may ma offend pero even in a big place like Disneyland doesn't allow big strollers like these. Sa store pa kaya? Yes convenience ng kid or kids nyo ang priority nyo but think of others din. And being PWD doesn't give anyone with disability to be entitled and get whatever they want in expense of others. Maybe, your stroller and other adult can wait outside while you, the mother buy what you need inside the store. And next time, check muna mga restrictions ng establishments na pupuntahan nyo kung ma accommodate yung strollers nyo.
ReplyDeleteBlind and deaf pero bat ganyan di naman yan stroller. Thats a utility wagon.
ReplyDeleteMali si manager pero mali din parents.
Nagpapa cool pang outdoor.wagon
Bawal nga ang wagon sa Disneyland eh, Masyado kasi malaki, also it wont be comfortable for the kid to sit down for long, matigas and does not have much support as that of a stroller. Also, if deaf and blind, hindi ba sya pwede iupo? Masakit sa likod sa bata yan if nakahiga sya the entire duration na nagmamall sila. Lahat ng tagtag ng floor nafifeel nyan. ung may CP nga nakastroller pa din eh. Dapat ireport din sa authority ung parents ng bata at questionin kung medically approved ang wagon nila, kung sakali baka may laban ang manager.
ReplyDeleteNakakainis na rin yung ganto, di makuha yung gusto, sumbong sa socmed. Pwede naman ayusin na lang within parties involved. Kelangan involved ang sambayanan. To gain views and sympathy. Dami ng pampam.
ReplyDeleteAnong pinagmamalaki ng H&M Manager na yan? Eh dto nga di pnapansin yang store na yan, dinadaanan lng! Tapak din sa Lupa if me time, di porke Manager ka eh, manlalait kna ng kapwa mo.
ReplyDeletesana kase pinaliwanag ng mabuti, malaki yung stroller sa kitid ng mga space para sa dadaanan ng tao possible na masasakop ng stroller yung area, paano pa kung nakahinto yun kase namimili ng damit. kung para sa anak nya i think mas better na nanay sya kahit d nya kasama anak nya sa pamimili alam nya kung kakasya sa anak nya yun. pde naman na sa labas ng store maghintay habang namimili sya kase sya pa din naman magdedesisyon ano bibilhin nya, ang hirap kaya ng nakahiga ka tapos paikot ikot kayo na possible may struggle pa kung dadaan sa makipot na space para makalapit sa estante ng damit. Sana sinabi ng manager na kung pde wag na lang sya ipasok dahil maliit ang space sa loob hindi yung ipinag tabuyan nya na parang walang pera. kawawa din naman yung mawawala ng work may pamilya din yun. lahat ng bagay pdeng pag usapan ng maayos.
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