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Condolence po sir and to the bereaved family.
ReplyDelete💔 it’s so sad to see or hear stories like this knowing I’ve been there many times and still thriving.
ReplyDeleteSending you love. Kapit lang. life can be won.
Deleteplease talk to someone or seek help if you feel anything not right.huwag mong solohin or ikahiya dahil hindi ka nagiisa sa laban.
DeleteFor so many times I thought of ending my life because I want my husband to feel and suffer the pain of losing me and realize my worth... but everytime I think of my children, that they will be the one who will really suffer, I will set aside everything for them.. even my own peace of mind and freedom.. anything for them..
DeleteMy OBGyn said i have anxiety. Nag B complex lang ako kasi pinipilit ko na as long kaya ko pa na hindi magtake ng meds sa vitamins muna ako. Tanong ko lang LIFETIME BA ANG MEDICATION NG ANXIETY IF MAGSEEK AKO NG HELP FROM PSYCHIATRIST?
DeleteFighting! Pag ako naddepressed pass na ang bts kc cla pinapanood ko or pinapakinggan. Nakakaluwag ng loob. Pray lang
DeleteHi 6:08. Don't hesitate to consult a psychiatrist or psychologist. I think lifetime ang medication pero ilolower yata ang dosage. Still the professionals will be able to help you.
DeleteAnonymous 6:08 am
DeleteIf vitamins won’t work and can’t control anxiety then you need meds If you took meds for anxiety it is not lifetime. Magpacounseling ka rin. It will helps and also take magnesium glycinate
"Not as strong-willed as his dad and me". "Had you talked to me I would have made you strong"
ReplyDeleteohhhh wow... No wonder why! I Can smell Nagmamarunong, bida2x and lack of understanding. He needs rehab a doctor a psychiatrist and not your unsolicited advice ser...haiz nakooo RIP young handsome man.
same thoughts. I can help you?sir you are not a therapist nor a doctor. depression is not something na you treat with kaya mo yan! I know you meant well and is just mourning. pero it doesnt work that way sir. im sorry for your loss
DeleteI just hope na nasabi nya lang yan because he is grieving. Let’s have an open heart not to judge a person who lost someone.
DeleteWag ganun. Don’t invalidate din ramon’s feelings because totoo naman we are weak when we are depressed. Someone can help bring us to docs, give use medicine, pray with us, bring us outside to see the sun, stay with us when we feel like doing something. Malaking tulong ang may kasama at kausap.
DeleteParang kasalanan pa ng apo.
DeleteYou're also nagmamarunong.
DeleteI had a bout with mental
health issue and had medical approach to it.
Pero what healed me is family presence nila.
Kaya don't invalidate what family can do.
6:55 really sad situation. This is not something to say to a person going through such mental issues. But is he really wrong?
DeleteTrue! Psychiatrists, Psychologists cringes over these statements. Smh. But you know what contributes to these rise of dep? Before kasi less stressful and life, but because now everything is digital, and soc med reeks unpleasantries.
DeleteDi ba? He made it about him. Sobrang off
DeleteThis is sad. S will always be sad. Sad sa naiwang pamilya. Sad sa nagpaka*. No comment ako sa nararamdaman ni Tulfo. Karapatan niya un kung ano man yon. At wala akong karapatan na sisihin siya o sino man. Malungkot lang ito.
Delete8:55 mukhang ikaw yung nagmamarunong.
DeleteThe thing is they obviously did not know what he was going through, so they’re wondering if they could’ve done something had he talked to them but he chose not to
DeleteWould you people really say something like that to someone who just lost a loved one in real life? HE IS A PARENT/GRANDPARENT! It’s normal for any family member to blame themselves thinking they could’ve done something. DON’T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM HIM!
DeleteAsus! Akala mo naman mas kilala mo yung apo niya kesa sa iyo. Isa ka rin sa mga taong ubod ng judgmental. Respetuhin mo rin yung Lolo na nawalan ng apo.
Delete@8:55 wag ka din ngmamarunong, do not invalidate the person who is grieving. If you read properly, he might have held his hand and helped him get through it of course alam nmn siguro nila na there is a psychiatrist they can consult. I have gone through depression and I know how it feels like but I chose to fight my battles and family helps. In the end we cannot blame someone, we have the choice, we always have a choice. It is up to you to let go of that loose end or tie that loose end and make it through. Kaya do not be judgmental to the bereaved family.
DeleteSomehow tama naman sya, natatandaan ko nung nagpapa-psych yung father namin lagi kaming kinakausap sa counselling after nya kasi kayo ung kasama nya most of the time so you will be briefed on how to handle a certain situation and how to approach it.
DeleteObviously sinabi nya yan kasi grieving sya hindi nya sinabi na sya lang ang mkakaresolve ng issues ng apo nya. Kung nag reach out sa kanila ung bata o nalaman nila malamang they will also seek professional help aside sa noral and emotional support na kaya nila ibigay. Gets mo na????Never invalidate ang nararamdaman lalo na ng namatayan jusko nkakatakot ka naman kausap napansin mo pa un.
Deleteikaw ang bida2x
DeleteTo all of you who share same opinion with 8:55, SHAME ON YOU! The man is grieving for crying out loud!
DeleteSorry 11:33 but others had mentally unstable and depressed because of their family.
DeleteAng harsh nyo naman. He could have made him strong… means many things. A support from anyone is always a good start. It is better than having none. Then he can bring him to a doctor for the appropriate help. Kaya nga “wag mo sarilinin ang problema.” Anyone can be of help.
DeleteAs a person suffering from my Bipolar who tried to take her life a couple of times now, these are actually the words I hated to hear at my lowest points. Kaya mas ginugusto ko pang walang makausap because why the need to point it out pa na I am now as strong you or that you could have made me strong. How I feel my emotions is different from how you feel yours.
DeleteWorst pa yung sasasabihan pa na mas mahihirap pinagdadaanan ko kesa sayo pero kinakaya. If I died because of my attempts before, siguro ang gugustuhin ko lang sabihin sakin “ I wish I was there for you” yun lang ok na ko.
May guilt kase silang nararamdaman as someone who lost a loved one so the post seems to be about them. What could I have done better or different or you could’ve been still with us. Ganern.
DeleteShow kindness na lng mga baks! The world needs it more than anything else
Depression has many faces. You are not wrong though but it is also not wrong to make them feel they are not alone in the battle. Every word matters. Walang may gusto nang nangyari, and lahat tayo nangangapa sa challenges. But out ofcompassion, let the him grieve in peace.
Deletecondolence.
ReplyDeleteWala kasing maayos na mental facility by the government dito sa Pilipinas. Ang mahal mahal ng private mental health facilities and professionals. One session can cost 2-5k. And one session alone is not enough kung psychotherapy ang hanap mo. Ang mga public government naman may bayad din pero minimal lang. Pero based sa experience ko walang naitulong. Tipong nagmamadali pa. Useless. Kaya minsan tulungan mo din ang sarili mo. Un ang pinakasolusyon. Take the necessary medicine syempre lalo na kung schizophrenic ka or you hear voices. May mental illness naman na may mga gamot.
ReplyDeleteBaket s South Korea, sobra yaman nman nila pero sila# 1. Kahit s America, Japan at Thailand, mas marami gumagawa s kanila and yet they are rich countries.
DeleteSusme ito na naman ang blame game! Nakakasawa na!
Delete10:22 totoo naman na mahal ang private mental professional sa Pilipinas. Malamang di ka nakatry o wala kang kilala na nagtry kaya WALA KANG ALAM maliban sa makiride sa comment ng iba
Delete10:08 Ewan ko. Do your research. Ako ba spokesman nila? I just shared what I know based on what I experienced and what others I know experienced. Share ka ng sa'yo para may input ka din
DeleteOo kahit magpa consult ang mahal mahal.
DeleteSana talaga yung new generation, mag focus sa productive na linyahan Ng trabaho where they can be productive contributors like mental wellness, wag puro tikok
dito sa germany napakaraming psychiatric hospital for adults and kids, and free siya. daming depression dito pero yung suicide rate nila dito mababa. tsaka sa work kapag feeling mo stress ka na at pagod ka na pwede ka magsick leave agad minsan yung doctor mo ilagagay na burn out ka kaya sick leave ka ng 3-6months. siguro yun difference satin kasi nga hindi nakafocus ang government natin sa health at mental health.
DeleteMygaaad. Bakit naman ginawang all about himself ang pagkawala ng apo! Isa pa manong, hindi lang dahil malungkot kaya nagkaka depression! It’s a chemical imbalance sa brain for goodness sake!!!
ReplyDeleteKorek. Kung may depression ka yang ganyang kamag anak ang dapat mong iwasan. Unless my Pera silang ambag pang pa therapy mo.
DeleteTrue. Lahat na lang isisi sa depression, noon pa naman mat mga nagcocommit na ng suicide bakit ngayon lahat na lang depression ang dahilan?
DeleteIKR chemical imbalance po ang depression hindi yan simpleng nalungkot o low self esteem lang and kahit ano pang masayang nangyari hindi yan magiging ok na ulit need yan ng medications to fix the imbalance and of course lots of therapy
Delete912, 945, hindi nya alam paano mag-cope sa ganyang sitwasyon. Normal ang mga what-ifs, and blaming one’s self. Until you experienced it, do not be quick to judge. Wag din masyadong magmarunong.
Delete9:12 nagmamarunong ka din... sana marealize mo yan...
Deletethis man is grieving... let him be.
Yung kabastusan at pagmamarunong talaga ng iba hindi nilla mapigilan kahit pa namatayan ang tao. Ang lalakas ng loob magsalita na kala mo eksperto at may similar experience kaya kung makapag judge sa feelings ng MISMONG namatayan, ganun ganun na lang. Akala mo they really feel the same pain like Tulfo!
DeleteAng hirap siguro living up to the clan's surname. Galing pa pangalan niya sa lolo niya na nagsimula ng kasikatan ng magkakapatid na Tulfo. RIP. Gone too soon
ReplyDeleteCondolences po Mr. TULFO
ReplyDeleteAs Bolzen said, why are we monetizing therapy. Where are your parents? Cousins? Friends? Siblings? Maybe we shouldn’t be pushing for therapy as much as we should push for communication within the family
ReplyDeleteI think this is what Ramon is talking about. Depression is worsened because they feel farther away from family. They felt that they are Not safe with or understood with when depression attacks. They don’t feel that family will stay or understand.
DeleteI had ptsd and depression,
I heard a voice already. But I thought of my children, I thought of God. My children’s love kept me alive and is keeping me alive. Also, I am aware because I’m in the medical field.
Siguro this chemical that we are talking about by depression must be controlled by feelings of love as well like endorphins etc. I don’t know. All I know is I’m surviving and my background gave me thoughts that I need to see a doctor as well and to stick to my faith.
I pray for others who suffer as we do. And may their families and friends show more presence, patience, love and understanding. Also, this must be taught in school already as young as possible. Or as simple as possible so that kids would know that if they feel this kind of sadness. It’s not shameful but they need to go to a doctor. It may not save all but I’m sure will save hopefully many.
953, 1050, agree. You really have to experience it to get what the post is trying to say. Unfortunately, people are quick to judge by taking the post at face value.
DeleteI agree 10:50, chemical imbalance or not, seek help. Pareho tayo kasi nasa healthcare din ako. I would never do this kasi yong effect sa family ko. I have children. It would kill them if i took my own life. I dont want them to question themselves and be saddled with guilt. i am surviving, I hike, i meet friends, and pag may thoughta ako na hindi kaaya aya, i pray and i meditate. We are responsible to find ways to help ourselves. May he RIP
DeleteOhh 10:50 kapit po for your children and I agree with 11:48, ang iisipin mo talaga ano magiging effect sa mga anak mo. Hindi pansariling kapakanan but for our children's sake. I
DeleteOh My nakakalungkot ito grabe.
ReplyDeleteI know he is grieving but i dont think saying something like " you are not as strong willed as your dad and me" would have helped
ReplyDeleteBecause he’s in denial and it was too late when they could have done anything. Kayo ang pointing fingers natural ganun ang nararamdaman nila ngayon. Better quiet kayo kasi wlaa naman kayo nga alm s pamilya nila
DeleteTrue. Depression can make the strongest man bend to their knees. Everything kasi is digital nowadays, and like what doctors say, stuff like soc meds doesn’t help.
DeleteThe grandpa is grieving. I dont think he meant ill when he said that. He is trying to rationalize why.
Delete11:44 I wish I had a friend, at least one friend, like you.
Deleteewan ko ba bakit ang mga naging friends ko walang empathy??
totoo yang sinabi mo... that man is grieving and he will say misaligned things... kasi sobrang sakit ng pinagdadaanan nya
Pero diba my part na i was also thinking of doing that. Ibig sabihin at some point naging weak din sya. Contradicting statement nya
Delete@10:45. I suffered post partum and nervous breakdown 17 years ago. Hospitalized for a while. On and off medication for the past 17 years. Chronic depression, general anxiety disorder. Im just saying, if someone told me " you are not strong willed.." , that would not have helped me
DeleteTherapists and professionals know the right words to use for people experiencing mental health issues. They know how and when to avoid toxic positivism and negativity. Because a single or phrase could send a person to a downward spiral, often leading to fatal consequences even with the right meds and therapy.
DeleteFamily is the support system to validate, support, to encourage to continue getting help. That it is okay to be have weak moments, to accept your flaws. And sometimes silent support and not saying anything is best for them.
Grieving statements like Mr. Ramon’s could have been written differently, but sometimes we have to accept that we may have failed the person, depending on how we dealt with it in the family. Because not all families have the best approach to these issues. And most of the time, there is nothing else we could ever do to prevent their su*cide.
12:34 Again, it's from a parent/grandparent's perspective. Oo hindi helpful sayo but your family will never know that. Ang intention nila is palakasin ang loob mo. Gets mo?
Delete12:34 Bilang ginawa mo naman ng example ang sarili mo. Ibalik ko lang din yung tanong sayo. If that SOMEONE who told you the same thing IS YOUR MOTHER OR FATHER, ano sa tingin mo ang intention nila para sabihin sayo yun? And remember, no one except you will understand what you're going through kaya don't expect them to say the right things.
Delete@12:34 oh my lord, when you are depressed you sometimes dont even know what u wanna hear.. so im not saying na mali or tama yung sinabi ni tulfo.. im saying if you know someone who is depressed, you probably shouldnt say "you are not strong willed..."
Delete@12:34 and yeah since tinanong mo rin lang naman ako, the actual cause of my depression and that im undergoing years of therapy is because of my traumatic childhood caused by my own mother, so there you go...
Deleteyoull never understand until it happened to you, madalas sasabihin pa sayo nsa utak mo lng yan..mahal ang psychiatrist mahal din ang facility hay
ReplyDeleteIn General lagi na lang late ang realization na sana kinausap sila pero nung time na nag strutrugle, starting to open up or gusto lang na may makinig, walang gustong makinig sa kanila siguro kasi may kanya kanya na struggle sa buhay and feeling siguro nung nag struggle na it will be an additional burden kaya they chose to keep it to them selves na lang until di na kayang icontain.
ReplyDeleteAno ba hayaan nyo na sya. Masakit sa kanya yan, obviously. He's feeling regret that he wasn't there for his grandson. RIP po, Mr. Ramon Tulfo and family.
ReplyDeleteI agree he's already hurting
DeleteSo sorry…. Terrible esp if you have family willing to help. Rest in Peace…
ReplyDelete1151 sorry to say but dont pin this on the family. The guy must have been ‘happy’ , no sign of being depressed. So bakit sa family mo i blame. Answer is, Seek helpi
ReplyDelete, yan dapat. And i know because ive been there.
pain never ends in suicide. pain passes along to our family and friends. please seek help if you need it.
ReplyDeleteSad to hear yun may mga kaya sa life mas mayroon depression. And so weak. Dahil kaya mga na spoiled at di nakaranas ng hirap?Yun sagad sa hirap at di kumakain sa Oras still fighting para ma buhay.
ReplyDeleteIto talaga yung comment na bastos eh. Depression does not discriminate. It can affect anybody. Lahat tayo may kanya kanyang pinagdadaanan sa buhay so you don't get to dictate who gets to have depression. Please refrain from spouting such nonsense.
DeleteSa Totoo lang minsan ang hirap din mag sabi ng nararamdaman mo sa nga tao mala lapit sayo. Sometimes they say the most inane things like “nasa Utak mo lang” “nasa isip mo lang yan” “drama lang yan” baket ganyan ka mag isip” and the list goes on….. kaya it’s better to keep it to yourself na lang kasi sino nakakaintindi ng nararamdam mo? Ikaw lang. Sino back up mo? It’s just you and yourself. Kaya minsan Ayoko na nagsasabi what you feel esp sa family mo kasi you expect they will comfort you but no! They will take it againts you pa. Puros sila BaKEt ka ganyan? Hinde dapat ganyan iniisip mo. Boomers will never understand … never!
ReplyDeleteI’m tired tbh but I have to keep going Kahit I feel hopeless . Sabi nga sa kanta I’m trying my best.. I’m trying best to okay but it’s so hard!
I feel you.. same situation. Hugs to us.
DeleteVictim of depression, yet, again… 🥹🙏
ReplyDeleteMahirap talaga kalaban ang depression. Kailangan talaga may lakas ka ng loob pag wala susuko ka na lang talaga
ReplyDeleteSa mga comments, wag na kayo mag nitpick. He is just saying out loud kung ano nararamdaman nya. He is grieving and regretting. On another note, i am aware na maraming causes ang depression and other mental issues and do seek help asap. Pray to the Lord and cast your burdens on Him. It might seem not proactive but believe me, it does work whether you are a believer or not. Another thing din is lately, parang buzz word ang "mental health" and it is good naman to have awareness pero may tendency din na hindi sya ok kung overkill. Like meron lang minor issue, mental health issue ang i-excuse and depress depressan kaagad and keep obsessing about it. Balance lang dapat.
ReplyDeleteGusto ko rin sana magpatingin sa psych doctor kasi lagi akong lutang na maiiyak kahit walang dahilan at hindi makatulog ng maayos. Natakot lang ako magpakonsulta baka yung gamutan sa anxiety ispanghabangbuhay. Lifetime ba ang medication ng anxiety/dep? Or tigil na kapag okay ka na? Please sana may sumagot 🙏
ReplyDeleteHello. Ganyan din ako nung una; ayokong magpatingin. ayokong mag-take ng meds. Pero finally, I reached out for help. Talk to a psychiatrist para alam mo ang proper diagnosis sa condition mo (kung meron man). Yung meds, depende yan sa severity ng case. Merong temporary lang, meron din namang pang matagalan (kung affected na ang daily functions). I am so glad, nakipag-usap ako sa psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors. Puro free nga lang ang mental health check-ups ko (Bayanihan E-Konsulta, National Center for Mental Health, Ateneo Bulatao Center). Laking tulong sa improvement ko para maka regain ng balance, peace, normalcy, productivity. Huwag kang mag-hesitate komunsulta. Nasa iyo pa rin naman ang final decision. All the best.
DeleteDepression is real but not easily understood by others who did not experienced it
ReplyDeleteI am sure marami sa atin ang nakakaramdam na gusto na nating sumuko. Kapittt and hingi ng tulong ... Let us try to be there for one another.
ReplyDeleteMinsan kais talaga, minamagnify natin yung problem natin. Na totoo naman. It will pass, everything will pass.
ReplyDeletedumaan din kami ng anak ko na dalaga sa depression,pinili ko magpakatatag when i saw my daughter struggling.both of us suicidal na.pero pinili ko e set aside my own struggles kasi takot ako mawala anak ko.pinilit ko magpakatatag para sa mga anak ko.ang hirap,ang sakit til now di ko masabi sa kanila pero im still facing depression.(back story:ldr couple kami,may ibang babae na asawa ko at pinili nya ang babae over us.inaway pa ng babae nya anak ko kaya nagka depression din anak ko)right now unti2x ko ng nakikita changes ng anak ko and im happy for the changes)…i hope lawakan natin ang isipan sa mga taong gaya ko na hanggang ngayon lumalaban para makayanan ang depression.
ReplyDeleteSa panahong ito sana mas maging understanding tayo, mas maging respectful tayo. Mas maging mabuti tayo. Hindi natin alam ang pinagdadaanan ng bawat tao. Ang hirap ng may depression. Ako na sanay mag isa pero masaya naman noon ay bigla akong naging malungkot na wala namang dahilan. Sinasabi ng iba na wala naman daw akong dapat ika depressed. While alam ko na madami akong dapat ipagpasalamat sa Dios, hindi ko talaga maintindihan kung saan nanggagaling ang lungkot na ito na minsan para akong mag isa sa mundo. Walang bagay na nakaka excite sa akin. Kahit ang mga bagay na nakakapagpasaya sa akin noon ay walang kwenta sa akin ngayon. Sana makawala na ako sa sitwasyon na ito. Mahirap. Malungkot.
ReplyDeleteNakakakulo ng dugo yung opinyon ng karamihan dito. Akala mo kung sinong mga diyos kung makahusga at maka-kwestyun sa nararamdaman at nasabi ng taong namatayan. Mga walang respeto! Anong mararamdaman niyo kung kayo yung nasa sitwasyon niya? Hindi ba normal lang sa isang magulang na sisisihin ang sarili niya kung bakit nangyari ang isang bagay sa anak/apo niya? Kaya niyo bang sabihin yang mga opinyon niyo about depression sa harap niya habang nagluluksa siya? At ikaw 8:55, kaya mo bang sabihin na "nagmamarunong, bida2x, and lack of understanding" si Tulfo sa harap niya mismo?
ReplyDeleteMga ka-FP, this isn't the time na magmarunong at mag-feeling eksperto about mental health issues. Namatayan yung tao. Let him grieve in his own way.
ReplyDeleteWala nman cya magagawa kung ano gusto
ReplyDeleteGawin ng apo nya.
Mahirap talaga labanan ang depression, kahit pa madami kang pera kaibigan mahal sa buhay. Pag inatake ka ng depression nothing can help you.
ReplyDelete1:15pm meron. Turn to God. Surrender yourself to him kc hindi talaga kakayanin ng tao ang depression. Kung may medicines na iprescribed ang doctors, temporary relief lang yan. Speaking of myself who experienced depression before.
DeleteKailangan kasi ng tao ang Diyos. Pero siya ang madalas kinakalimutan ng tao.
Delete💔
ReplyDeleteI think no ill intention naman ang post. Yan naman usually nafefeel ng family. Na sana kung lumapit sakanila, baka may natulong sila. Parang feeling ng guilt kasi d nila alam pinagdadaanan ng tao. Mga what if. Yun part na you are not strong enough, because he succumbed to his weakness which is technically true pero medyo off lang sabihin ng derechahan
ReplyDeleteIto yung mga sitwasyon na hindi natin kailangang magmarunong o pangaralan ang mga taong involved. Nakakabahala lalo na si 8:55. Anong klaseng pag-iisip meron ang katulad mo to even think and say something like that to a person who just lost his eldest grandson! Nakakaloka na tuwing may lalabas na post about mental health issues, ang daming biglang nagiging eksperto!
ReplyDeleteFunny how some people here instantly become experts on depression to the point na they question and judge Ramon Tulfo for making it about himself. How did he make it about himself? That statement is obviously him thinking out loud how they could have saved Ramonito. It's typical and normal for parents to think that way if something happened to their children. They blame themselves, they regret those missed opportunities. It's painful and heartbreaking to lose a child tapos heto kayo educating someone about depression? Pathetic.
ReplyDeletemaging mabait na lang tayo sa isa isa. nakkalungkot ganyang balita. Just the other week nakuwento nung pari na yung kaibigan niyang pari nagpakamatay.... let us just pray for one another. wag na lang mag comment ng di maganda.
ReplyDeleteLet's not forget that the Tulfo brothers were raised during a time when patriarchy and being a man meant showing little to no emotion para masabing tunay kang lalaki. I get where he's coming from with his statement, kasi baka iba yung pagpapalaki sa apo nya kaysa pagpapalaki sa kanilang magkakapatid and sa mga anak nila. It doesn't necessarily mean na off agad yung statement nya, it's just that he was nurtured in a different generation than his grandson, and what he may be trying to say is that kung lumapit lang sana yung apo nya, he may have lent him that inner strength from the older generation to help his grandson cope with whatever issues he was dealing with.
ReplyDeleteNever judge a person who lost a loved one through suicide. You will never see it coming. A lot of people would easily say na di mangyayari sa kanila yan. All I can say is you will never know. And yes in the past we were raised differentoy kaya we can endure kahit anong problemang ibabato sa tin. Kids nowadays iba, feeling nila they are at the edge agad pag me problema. When you lost somebody by suicide dadalhin mo yung guilt forever. Feeling mo wala kang nagawa o dapat me nagawa ka man lang to prevent it from happening.
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