At least kay Vhong may cctv. Alam natin physically impossible marape in less than 1 minute si Dennise. Itong bata kawawa kung totoo walang cctv na magpapatunay in his favor
1041 - search Atty Maggie Abraham Garduque and Vhong Navarro especially his recent dismissal ng case, the answers are there. She is also TAPE’s lawyer.
Iba yan kay Mallonga. Si Mallonga talaga lawyer ni Vhong from the very beginning. Dinagdag lang yan lawyer na yan. Alam ko lawyer siya ng mga Jalosjos vs TVJ
Wrong.Alma Mallonga yung kay Vhong and 1035 and 1024 - why yikes and sad? - even the senior NBI and senior PNP doesn't believe Denice is rape - Cedric is a bully who does this to other guys like Buenavach and others. They set him up to extort him and for bully purposes. San ka nakakita ng narape na nag pa cute pa sa mirror ng elevator.
Hindi porket nagtext ay automatic na papayag sa ganun. Di ba pwedeng bumati and makipagbonding ng walang malisya. Baguhang artista kaya kelangan nila magpalapad ng papel but hindi naman siya naghihikahos sa buhay para gawin ang ganyan.
Ang issue is kung ano nangyari sa loob ng room. Ano ito? Episode ng lilet matias na gagamitin yung video na si Trixie ang humilo kay Inno pero totoo naman pala may kasalanan si Inno. Hayyy napanood ko na ito. LOL
Eh paano makaka gather ng evidence instead na ung organizer tumawag ng nbi para isecure ung ALLEGED crime scene gusto isettle internally. If the place was secured and Sandro's statement were to be believed (personally I believe him) that he was drugged sana nakita sa room or sa blood tests. For sure may mga fjnger prints din yan if nasa room sya. Baka ending pati cctv footage sa hallway ng hotel nawala or nabira na din. Pag ganyan kasi ung issue and allegations di pwede internally nakakaloka.
Convo example: person 1- Asa hotel ka pa, daan ako dyan. person 2 - "ay oo dito pa, lika dali, daan ka" Sa point of view ni person 1, sya ni-invite, sa point of view ni person 2, si perso. 1 nag-initiate. But without the direct invitation of person 2, d dadaan si person 1. Ganun mga baks
Naku! Baka may something sa mga exchange of messages ng mga beks at ni Sandro. Mas madaling manipulahin kapag black and white kesa your words against their words.
If he went there on his own volition, then why the need to spike his drink?
And even if we assume that the drink wasn't spiked, if Sandro said "no" or "stop" at any point during that encounter, they should have stopped, otherwise that is r**e.
nabutas na ng defense yung "inaya" narrative nila, jan na papasok yung burden of proof IF may nangyari nga bang "assault", medical? witnesses? statement from the alleged gf? may mapprovide ba ang muhlach camp na credible proof?
Rape under our law doesnt contemplate men, kasi required na sa v ang penetration. If the penetration happens anywhere else, Sexual assault na ang tawag. Penalty is lighter, because I think the law contemplates yung danger na mabuntis which can happen only if sa v ang penetration.
Kaya ayun wala po talagang rape, legally speaking.
R*pe is commited by any person who commits an act of sexual assault by inserting his p*nis into another person’s mouth or an*l orifice, or any instrument or object, into the genital or oral orifice of another person.
Yung sinasabing text ni Sandro sa dalawa does not prove also na inosente sila. Puwedeng hindi pa rin niya ginusto yung mga naganap after. A lot of sexual abuse victims ay kilala nila ang suspect/s kasi nga tiwala sila tapos napagsamantalahan.
Hearsay lahat sinasabi ni ogie. Walang personal knowledge. Proof beyond reasonable doubt pa naman pag criminal case kaya mahihirapan talaga yan patunayan
I wish right after nung nangyari ay nag report na agad sila sa Sandro sa pulis para may medico legal siya. Surely, traces of drugs will still be available sa system niya after it happened (if it is really true na may drugs involved) or a rape test kit will solidify their case.
Still a no is no. Kesahodang siya pa nag-insist na magpunta sa hotel room nung mga accused. Kaya lang kapag ganyan, pagalingan talaga sila ng lawyer at evidences na p-present sa court.
To secure conviction in a criminal case, you don't rely on the weakness of the defense but on the evidence submitted by the prosecution proving a person's guilt beyond reasonable doubt.
Pwede naman Kasi may sinabihan sila na nagrelay Kay Sandro saka nagtext si Sandro. Chariz. Curious lang kasi parang habol ng dalawa is sexual harassment case lang not sexual assault..Parang timang lang din.
Ang tanong ko, anong aksyon ng network? Are these independent contractors still working for them? Hindi man lang ba suspended bilang may ongoing case? Hindi man lang ba banned muna sa network premises and events bilang proteksyon sa mga artista nila habang may ongoing case?
Lets wait til we see the complete convo sa side ni sandro. Hindi ba pwedeng early on pa sya niyaya at sinabi na madami sila dun kaya naman at a much much later part, nag chat si bagets na kung andon pa sila kasi dadaan sya?
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Classmates, sino ang nagsabi na Akala daw kasi pa-booking si Sandro?.
ReplyDeleteSource ni OD iirc
DeleteWhat a stupid excuse. Alam naman kung willing o hindi.
Deletenakita ko nga na may ganyang publicity but this is not true
DeleteAy eto na nga ang sinasabi kaya tahimik ang network. .may laban ang mga accla
ReplyDeleteYeah! Unfortunately. Wala naman kaseng cctv sa loob ng kwarto which could be a solid proof. So pagalingan na lang talaga ng abogado yan.
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DeleteSo it was Sandro who texted them first asking if they are still around and if he can drop by!
DeleteSa hallway ng hotel may cctv siguro?
DeleteTrial by publicity din mga kampo ni accla eh kung matibay na ebidensya yan. Di nila yan ilalabas. Gusto din makakuha ng public sympathy
DeleteDi ba sinabi rin ni Sandro na akala niya ay may iba ring artista doon?
Delete9:18 That doesn't mean you can drug and violate somebody!
DeleteKahit nga asawa mo, hindi pwede gawin yun sayo!
Atty. Alma Mallonga ang lawyer ni V. Navarro
Delete8:48, kung lahat ng judge eh kagaya mo walang justice na makukuha lahat ng rape victims.
Deleteyung lawyer nila yan din lawyer ni Vhong Navarro.
ReplyDeleteKaya pala. Sad
DeleteYikes. š©
DeleteSo mallonga yon diba?
DeleteOh that’s why
DeleteAt least kay Vhong may cctv. Alam natin physically impossible marape in less than 1 minute si Dennise. Itong bata kawawa kung totoo walang cctv na magpapatunay in his favor
Delete1041 - search Atty Maggie Abraham Garduque and Vhong Navarro especially his recent dismissal ng case, the answers are there. She is also TAPE’s lawyer.
DeleteIba yan kay Mallonga. Si Mallonga talaga lawyer ni Vhong from the very beginning. Dinagdag lang yan lawyer na yan. Alam ko lawyer siya ng mga Jalosjos vs TVJ
DeleteWrong.Alma Mallonga yung kay Vhong and 1035 and 1024 - why yikes and sad? - even the senior NBI and senior PNP doesn't believe Denice is rape - Cedric is a bully who does this to other guys like Buenavach and others. They set him up to extort him and for bully purposes. San ka nakakita ng narape na nag pa cute pa sa mirror ng elevator.
Deletelawyer siya ni Vhong nung 2022 noong nakulong si Vhong. The articles are all over. Malongga and her are both his lawyers.
DeleteIbang case naman ang Vhong and maganda dun ay nasecure ng kampo niya ang cctv na tugma sa statement ni vhong.
DeleteHindi porket nagtext ay automatic na papayag sa ganun. Di ba pwedeng bumati and makipagbonding ng walang malisya. Baguhang artista kaya kelangan nila magpalapad ng papel but hindi naman siya naghihikahos sa buhay para gawin ang ganyan.
DeleteIyong cctv na lumabas kay Vhong at Denise ay ibang araw na. Hindi dame day noong na-rape.
Deletekung ako kay Nino kukunin ko si atty fortun
DeleteAng issue is kung ano nangyari sa loob ng room. Ano ito? Episode ng lilet matias na gagamitin yung video na si Trixie ang humilo kay Inno pero totoo naman pala may kasalanan si Inno. Hayyy napanood ko na ito. LOL
ReplyDeleteEh paano makaka gather ng evidence instead na ung organizer tumawag ng nbi para isecure ung ALLEGED crime scene gusto isettle internally. If the place was secured and Sandro's statement were to be believed (personally I believe him) that he was drugged sana nakita sa room or sa blood tests. For sure may mga fjnger prints din yan if nasa room sya. Baka ending pati cctv footage sa hallway ng hotel nawala or nabira na din. Pag ganyan kasi ung issue and allegations di pwede internally nakakaloka.
ReplyDeleteFYI. Ibang hotel yung pinagdausan ng GALA sa hotel nung dalawang accla
Deletekahit na ba sya ang pumunta doon, di ibig sabihin na mag papa ano sya... kadiri
ReplyDeletekorek!!!!!!
DeleteIt contradicts the fact kasi na ang sinasabi ni Sandro sya ang inaya.
DeleteThere are 3 sides to every story, his side, their side and the truth!
ReplyDeleteOh tapos? Gasgas na yan.
DeleteWrong. Only two sides: Truth & Lies
Delete3,his,theirs,and the truth.
Deletedalawa lang yan hindi tatlo, ang nagzasabi ng totoo at ang sinungaling.
DeleteCCTV ng hotel. Yung text na pinapunta siya. Maryano. Lawyer things.
ReplyDelete9:08 binasa mo ba yung statement nila? Si Sandro nga daw ang nag text at nagtanong kung nandoon pa sila and if could drop by.
DeleteAccording to the statement, Sandro was the one who asked if he could drop by the hotel where the 2 writers were staying
DeleteJusko, mga accla maski asawa mo pa yan at you say no, it‘s a no pa rin. š
DeleteConvo example: person 1- Asa hotel ka pa, daan ako dyan. person 2 - "ay oo dito pa, lika dali, daan ka"
DeleteSa point of view ni person 1, sya ni-invite, sa point of view ni person 2, si perso. 1 nag-initiate. But without the direct invitation of person 2, d dadaan si person 1. Ganun mga baks
Normal lang naman mag text ung tao niyaya mo sa lakad, kse making sure yung niyaya mo if tuloy ba or san kayo magkikita. Common sense.
DeleteThere are always 2 sides of the story.
ReplyDeleteNaku! Baka may something sa mga exchange of messages ng mga beks at ni Sandro. Mas madaling manipulahin kapag black and white kesa your words against their words.
ReplyDeleteIf he went there on his own volition, then why the need to spike his drink?
ReplyDeleteAnd even if we assume that the drink wasn't spiked, if Sandro said "no" or "stop" at any point during that encounter, they should have stopped, otherwise that is r**e.
Yun lang how to prove it
Deletenabutas na ng defense yung "inaya" narrative nila, jan na papasok yung burden of proof IF may nangyari nga bang "assault", medical? witnesses? statement from the alleged gf? may mapprovide ba ang muhlach camp na credible proof?
Deletestill, no is no.
ReplyDeleteBakit sya pupunta sa room nyo e may room sya, kasama nya pa that time girlfriend nya ang sabi, at paano pa booking e anak mayaman yan hello?
ReplyDeleteNagpa-medical kaya si Sandro right after? Kung may proof siya na nilagyan ng pampatulog yung drink niya, malaking ebidensya yun.
ReplyDeleteAng nabasa ko din sexual harassment ang kinaso hindi rape.
ReplyDeletemeaning they don't have concrete evidence for rape
DeleteHindi ba sexual assault, wherein rape is a type of sexual assault.
DeleteRape under our law doesnt contemplate men, kasi required na sa v ang penetration. If the penetration happens anywhere else, Sexual assault na ang tawag. Penalty is lighter, because I think the law contemplates yung danger na mabuntis which can happen only if sa v ang penetration.
DeleteKaya ayun wala po talagang rape, legally speaking.
3:05 False! RA 8353
DeleteR*pe is commited by any person who commits an act of sexual assault by inserting his p*nis into another person’s mouth or an*l orifice, or any instrument or object, into the genital or oral orifice of another person.
Yung sinasabing text ni Sandro sa dalawa does not prove also na inosente sila. Puwedeng hindi pa rin niya ginusto yung mga naganap after. A lot of sexual abuse victims ay kilala nila ang suspect/s kasi nga tiwala sila tapos napagsamantalahan.
ReplyDeleteHindi ba nagpa medico legal yung Sandro? Dun kc malalaman kung may nangyari lalo na kung may penetration na naganap
ReplyDeletewhether he texted or not, kung sinabi niyang NO sa sexual advances, it’s still a NO.
ReplyDeletePaano makaka No the victim lost his free will
DeleteDalawa yung perpetrators iisa lang ang victim
DeleteSo his words against theirs? Mukhang labanan ng abogado ang mangyayare dito. Honestly, ito ang dahilan kung bakit di ako nag-law.
ReplyDeleteHoy mga accla, SA is SA. A no is a no!
ReplyDeleteSinabi naman niya akala niya may ibang mga actors dun. Hindi naman ibig sabihin na they have a free pass at abusing him.
ReplyDeletepero why sabi ni Ogie nag usap na sila prior to statement being released and nag offer na Sina Accla na will donate sa chosen charity to compensate?
ReplyDeleteSa page ni OD ka magtanong girl
DeleteHearsay lahat sinasabi ni ogie. Walang personal knowledge. Proof beyond reasonable doubt pa naman pag criminal case kaya mahihirapan talaga yan patunayan
DeleteI still believe sandro alangan trip trip lang e diba kilala pamilya nila tapos sabihin nya he was S A e that's serious ha
ReplyDeleteI wish right after nung nangyari ay nag report na agad sila sa Sandro sa pulis para may medico legal siya. Surely, traces of drugs will still be available sa system niya after it happened (if it is really true na may drugs involved) or a rape test kit will solidify their case.
ReplyDeleteStill a no is no. Kesahodang siya pa nag-insist na magpunta sa hotel room nung mga accused. Kaya lang kapag ganyan, pagalingan talaga sila ng lawyer at evidences na p-present sa court.
To secure conviction in a criminal case, you don't rely on the weakness of the defense but on the evidence submitted by the prosecution proving a person's guilt beyond reasonable doubt.
ReplyDeleteno, walang dismissal go tayo sa kaso
ReplyDeleteConsent is the key.
ReplyDeleteSeated for the plot twist.
ReplyDeletePwede naman Kasi may sinabihan sila na nagrelay Kay Sandro saka nagtext si Sandro. Chariz. Curious lang kasi parang habol ng dalawa is sexual harassment case lang not sexual assault..Parang timang lang din.
ReplyDeleteAng tanong ko, anong aksyon ng network? Are these independent contractors still working for them? Hindi man lang ba suspended bilang may ongoing case? Hindi man lang ba banned muna sa network premises and events bilang proteksyon sa mga artista nila habang may ongoing case?
ReplyDeletethey were suspended already.
DeleteLets wait til we see the complete convo sa side ni sandro. Hindi ba pwedeng early on pa sya niyaya at sinabi na madami sila dun kaya naman at a much much later part, nag chat si bagets na kung andon pa sila kasi dadaan sya?
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