LOUDER ICE sobrang unfair ng trato at tingin ng iba sa lgbt na kala ang lilinis pero may mga baho din na hindi kayang ilantad. Kala mo sila lang anak ng diyos kung umasta.
Sinisimplify masyado ang kaso para mag mukhang kaawa awa at inaapi. Hindi lahat ng Katoliko ay nagtanggal sa trabaho, pumatay o nanakit sa inyo pero lahat kami nabastos ng Pura Luka na yan. At anong kinalaman ng separation ng Church and State ang pinagsasasabi mo? We Catholics have been tolerant. Kung sa Islam niya ginawa yan baka hindi na abutin ng isang linggong buhay yan. Galing ninyo mangbaliktad kayo na nga nambastos kayo pa pavictim.
Separation ng Church and State kamo? Di ba our Constitution gives us the right to practice freedom of religion? Kaya huwag ninyo bastusin ang relihiyon namin. Sabihin mo kay Luka magdamit Mohammad siya at dun siya magsasayaw sa Basilan. Dun siya mag practice ng Drag is Art niya. Kung gusto mo sumama ka na rin Ice artsy ka naman di ba?
He wanted to get a rise out of the public for clout. Ngayon na nakuha niya, pa awa na? The Philippines is probably one of the most tolerant countries when it comes to the gays. Ewan ko sa kanya bat ang dami niya pa sinasabi.
I agree with 12.38. Luka's offence was a disrespect to our faith. Why bring the gender discrimination card in the picture? Singing our Lord's Prayer in that manner is still offensive, regardless of whether a man, woman or someone from the LGBTQ community did something similar.
Ang babae ng pagka-intindi ni Ice ng tungkol sa separation of church and state. Tsaka hindi naman church ang nagsampa kay Pura ng kaso kundi mga tao na na-offend sa pambabastos nya sa beliefs ng mga Ito. Ganyan naman ang ibang LGBTQ, sumusobra na minsan ang self entitlement. Lumugar sa dapat kalagyan at matutong rumespeto sa iba. Kaya hindi kayo totally matanggap ng lipunan eh dahil sa ibang miyembro na balahura.
Louder? How about we respect each other, and respect our religion and faith too? Yun ang problema sa ilan sa mga LGBTQIA eh, kapag sila nagsalita, walang offensive. Pero kapag binalikan mo sila, gender equality agad ang sigaw. As if the arrest is because he’s part of the community and not because of the offense committed. ‘Wag ganon, Ice. Ang mali ay mali. Mapa-babae, lalake, or part ng LGBTQIA community.
may mga batas naman tayo na applicable sa mga nasabi nya. siguro dapat lang na mag-file ng kaso? like pinatay? sinasaktan? tinanggalan ng dignidad? may mga batas tayo para dyan. kailangan pa ba ng exclusive na batas para sa mga LGBTQ? ang murder ay murder, whether babae, lalaki, bakla, tomboy etc ang pinatay...file a case....
kung lalaki o babae na straight ang gumawa ng ginawa ng luka, kakasuhan pa rin. walang kinalaman ang gender card dito pati na rin ang separation of church and state. ano ba pinagsasasabi mo ha ICE?
Wow ngayon na kelangan nyang harapin ang consequences eh unfair na? Sino bang nambastos? Yung mga police ba? Kayo pag mga pinaglalaban naman ok kayong mandamay at manira pero pag sumobra at nasktan at nakasakit kayo na kawawa. Hay nako
Ang layo ng comparison ice. Kung gusto mo ilaban laban nyo, ilaban mo ng walang sinasagasaang ibang karapatan o paniniwala. Kilabutan ka nga sa mga sinasabi mo. Sa kagustuhan mong iangat lgbtq gusto mo ilaglag ang religion? I feel sorry for u kung wala kang Panginoon.
Archaic or not, may batas sa Pilipinas para sa paggalang sa pananalig ng mga tao. Walang kinalaman ang drag o ang pagiging LGBTQIABCDEF+×÷- nya. Harapang bastusan sa paniniwala ng Katoliko ang ginawa ni accla, sorry pero deserve nya yan. Wag kayong pa-victim at tila ginagawa nyo nang victim card ang pagiging gay. Abonohan nyo na lang ang pampiyansa nya kung gusto nyo talaga siyang tulungan.
Kinulong siya dahil wala siyang galang sa religion. Hindi dahil gay siya. O drag queen siya. Magkalinawan tayo dito.
Natamaan ba kayo? Totoo naman parepareho lang tayo makasalanan. Hindi porket straight ka malinis ka na. Yung iba dyaan palasimba nga pero may matinding baho pala.
Even CAtholic members of the LGBTQ.. were offended by what he did. kaya do not use the gender card here to act like the LGBTQ are the victims here. and please Separation of Church ansd State is irrelevant in this issue. Ano ba religion ni Ice? or Atheist ba siya?
kahit kelan di ako papabor dito sa luca na to. lalong tutol ako sa LGBT agenda kagaya nyang lgbt bill na sinusulong nila ngayon kasi marami silang karapatan na tatapakan.
pero etong kaso na isinampa kay luca, dapat siguro madeclare yung batas na unconstitutional because it abridged luca's right to free expression. okay lang kasuhan kung may ginulo syang misa at don sya nagdrag show, she deserves to be jailed. pero yung performance nya, sa isang party club, that should be protected by the constitution
Oh no. I did not expect this from you Ice. Di ba gusto nyo irespeto kayo? Pero bakit hindi rin kayo maka respeto ng paniniwala ng iba? Paano kaya kung kayong LGBT yung i mock at bastusin? Diba aalma din kayo? There is separation of church and state pero hindi ibig sabihin pwedeng ng mang bastos at mangbalasubas ang kahit sino.
Respect begets respect. Gusto ng respeto eh yung pinagtanggol nya di marunong rumespeto. Tuloy madadamay ang karamihan ng LGBTQIA++ dito. Well sila naman nandamay dinala ang LGBTQIA++ sa laban ng isang taong walang respeto.
"Paano kung LGBT ang i-mock at bastusin..." Nako, matagal at ang dami dami daming beses ng nangyare 'to, in all forms and platforms. Hindi magsasalita si Ice if hindi yan nakaranas ng insulto o pambabastos dahil sa kung ano s'ya at sa ngalan ng relihiyon.
12:53 so kaninong kasalanan na binastos pala sya pero di sya umalma? Pero sa issue ni Luka na di naman sya ang binastos in fact si Luka yung bastos pero nakikisawsaw sya.
1253 Manny Pacquiao is not a catholic, Quibuloy is not a catholic... Tingin mo ba katoliko lang ang nambastos sa gender??? Teka Hindi rin lahat ng katoliko eh nambabastos ng gender ah...ang ginawa ng isang tao eh Hindi kagagawan ng lahat
Ang difference eh may batas sa paggalang ng religion. Yung sa inyo, wala pa. Paano isasabatas ang hinihingi nyong SOGIE eh yung simpleng paggalang sa paniniwala ng karamihan hindi nyo masunod? Tapos sino ulit ang mga gumagawa ng batas? Ah oo, yung mga taong inoffend ng lukaret na to.
12:53 pero tama ba na bastusin at insultuhin ang paniniwala ng iba tulad ng ginawa ng Luka na yan? Kaya kung balikan man sya ng mga na-offend eh dapat lang sa kanya yun.
Lol decades nang nababastos LGBTQIA community for being who they are. Binubugbog, pinapatay pa nga. Kung kasuhan si PLV dahil may naoffend, may right pa rin siya mag post ng bail, mag explain ng side niya.
It does not have to be respect for religion versus respect for gender identity. Hindi porke't nirerecognize ng mga batas na bawal mambastos ng relihiyon ibig sabihin hindi dapat protektahan ang gender identity ng isang tao. Magkaiba ang cause na yan. For all you know, yung ibang na-offend ang religious sensisbilties ay nga members din ng LGBTQIA+.
This @12:22! I mean, there have been wars in the past coz of Religion, ganun siya ka big deal! If ginawa pa nga ni Accla yan sa Islam, tignan ko lang san pulutin si Accla…
Believe it or not, nangyayari talaga yung mga binanggit nya. I know someone na naligwak sa work dahil sa religion. But not lgbt reason. Mainly religion talaga, kaya sana di na nya binanggit yung lgbt, cos it can happen to anyone
wag ka na makisawsaw ice. i don't think there's discrimaination here when it comes to lgbtqia. have you even seen his/her videos? kahit di ako religious, nakakabastos naman kasi talaga yung ginawa niya. not only he/she did it once, may pa-provoke pa siyang sinasabi and inulit ulit pa niya.
e di idemanda nyo ngayon si FPRRD. wala na syang immunity. maipasok lang ang hate kahit mali ang context ng pagkakaintindi. para kayong si Ice, mahina comprehension. panoorin nyo buong speech ni FPRRD. wag yung splice d lang ng mga haters. o kaya yun nga idemanda nyo.
Have to agree with him. Remember Carlos Celdran? Remember the condoms on an art exhibit? Bilis lang sampolan and nationwide coverage pa. Pero do you guys remember the string of cases of gay men who were killed in 2010s? No diba. They were forgotten. This is not to say that Pura was right. But this is an overreaction na ipakulong. Turn the other cheek. But then again this is a political move. The Church has a sway with its devout followers.
Some people took the time to slap cases against him. Let him answer those. And Ice? Just pay for his lawyer if you feel so strongly about this. Put your money where your mouth is.
Catholic din ako and I found the act offensive as well, but do we have to do this? Ruin a person's life? For me, hindi naman nabago ang faith and beliefs ko kahit ginawa nya yon kahit di sya nag apologize for what he did.
On the flipside, this is also holding him accountable for his actions. My only question for our church is: have we exhausted all means to reconcile with this man? If so, a case filed is but just, but if not… we have failed to represent Jesus to this lost man.
Whatever his happening to him now, he brought it on himself. This will not ruin his life. He just needs to apologize. Or pay the bail. He can learn humility and respect from this.
Those against Luka did not ruin Luka's life. Luka did this on his own. And for those who are outraged with what he did and are moved to action, we could not blame them. Sometimes, we also need to defend our loved ones and beliefs. If he did that song about someone's loved one, expect the other person/ party to be mad as well.
Aiza, ang nga yan ay ngyayari kahit kanino. Itabi mo ang gender issues at religious matters. Simplehan lang ntin, wag kang gumawa ng mali.
Marami ang nasaktan sa ginawa ni Pura, naging mainit ang issue na yan. Pero ni minsan di sya humingi ng sorry. Mapagmataas pa sya kasi anjan kayong nakikisimpatya.
Oo lahat ay nagkakamali. May kanikaniyang kaparusahan sa tamang panahon. Di porket kasamahan mo sa lgbt, eh tama na kayo. Ang mali ay mali. Tapis.
Btw im part of lgbtq pero dun ako sa patas, tama at maayos na pamumuhay kung saan irerespeto ako.
public apology lang dapat ang katapa. and yet lalo pa nyang ginalit mga tao by continuing to mock our faith. naghamon pa di ba? ngayon iiyak iyak... Ice wag mo ipasok ang gender card pa-victim mo sa issue na to.
Yes it's unfair BUT he was arrested because NO SHOW siya sa hearing! Kung umattend siya baka hindi naisampa yung kaso. The reason the warrant of arrest was served is because he snubbed the preliminary hearing.
Sa mga supporters ni Pura Luka esp the LGBTQ+ community, wag kayong bumitaw financially. Really interested na makaabot ito sa Supreme Court at maging landmark case.⚖️ This would set precedence for drag acts in the country. Also when it comes to cases like this, leaning naman most of the time towards freedom of expression ang SC.
A legal basis for LGBTQ+ community in lieu muna kasi di ma pasa pasa ang SOGIE.
luh??? bat kinakabit ang isyu sa gender??? yun ba ang isyu kaya nakulong at aresto si Luka??? Mema din to! kaloka yung mga nasa twitter meron pang hanash na #worshipthegays at #freeluka eme tapos drag is not a crime eme pa! iniiwas yung isyu ng kabastusan, pangbababoy at ginagawang katatawanan ang imahe at mga kanta ng simbahan! gusto ng respeto pero di kaya gawin sa iba??? ikaw na nagsabi madali magkaso EH DI GAWIN NYO! madali naman pala eh???? wala pang Sogie apaka entitled at bastos nyo na! kaloka!r
Aiza, respect is a two way street. When someone makes fun of the lgbtq community, you all get offended by it. Same is true for people who value their faith. Maypa archaic ka pang nalalaman dyan. You talk about your dignity? No one is robbing it away from luka. You want to be respected? Look for a decent job. It doesn't have to be a job that makes a mockery of other people's faith or culture. That's just downright disrespectful.
i just think it's too much na ikulong siya for the ama namin musical. i mean???? may namatay ba? may nahalay ba? may nanakawan ba ng 100 million in tax? naoffend kayo sa ginawa niya? eh kayong mga naoffend di kayo nagkakasala ganon? this is outrageous hypocrisy i swear
Dzai, may nakukulong sa unjust vexation and libel with proper evidence. Walang namatay, walang nahalay, walang nanakawan. Just like Luka, may nilabag na batas, may nagreklamo, may ebidensya, may kaso. Isipin mo na lang na ang simbahang Katoliko ay binubuo ng mga tao, naoffend sila at nagreklamo.
This is not about getting offensive or what not, he was arrested because he didn't attend the hearing. Also, It was about mocking religion. Wala ngang nanakawan ng milyones, pero may inalisan ng respeto. LGBTQ+ always asked to be respected, but look what he did? "Don't do unto others what you don't want others do unto you." Simple lang yan mga accla! Simpleng komprehensyon lang pls. Wag nyong ilihis ang usapan!
I am very much offended. I am not God, therefore I am also a sinner. But I will not do such thing to any religion or faith. If somebody will disrespect anyone of my love ones , I will be very very offended what more if someone did it to Jesus Christ? He is my everything. That is the Lord's prayer, a very sacred prayer. Pura did the sacramental bread (Ostiya) mukbang challenge as well, that is a very disrespectful act. Respect begets respect.
Regardless of your gender identity, puede magdemanda pag abused or any unfair treatment, karapatan ng bawat tao yun.. That’s basic human rights.. So walang kinalaman sa gender ang issue.. Don’t use the gender thing to get away with this kind of cases..
Respect begets respect. Dignity begets dignity. And the blasphemer and violator of certain Republic Act gets what's due. Take away gender from the equation. This is not political. Let us just base it on the actions of the person in question. Said accused had quite a number of times to change or even apologize. Yet the accused dug in, looking downnon a faith sp important to so many, blaspheming the center of that faith, using 'Ama Namin', and the crucifix of Christas cheap entertainment, taking potshots at the faithful, without mercy. What then, if there is a law broken, should it just be allowed because of the 'gender card'? The gender card is not a get out of jail free card. PLV is an adult and is responsible for whatever actions he has taken. Let's be rational and let the law take it's due course. This then becomes a deterrent to similar behavior. Diversity and equality also means we are all equally accountable for our actions, whatever our background, politics, status or gender.
Jusko andaming invested dito sa pagpapakulong kay Pura. Sana ganyan din kayo ka invested sa ibat ibang issue sa bansa. Manood na lang kayo ng mga senate hearing at batikusin nyo yung mga senador na pinagboboto nyo na walang depth magcomment! Para matauhan din sila! Hindi lang si Pura ang dapat matauhan no! Jusko kayo.
So, dahil LGBTQ sya dapat exempted sya sa batas? Using gender card in a wrong way. Wala pang bastusan. Period! Kung ibang paniniwala yung ginanyan nya, baka capital punishment pa nga yung kahihinatnan nya. Try nya!
This is not a matter of being a member of the LGBTQ+. Wag naman sana gawing isa sa dahilan yun kumbakit nakulong si Pura. It's about respect... Kahit naman siguro yung hindi member ng LGBTQ+ kung ganyan din ang gagawin eh sasampahan din ng reklamo diba?
Ask yourself, kung straight guy si Luka and hindi member ng lgbtqia, offensive ba yung ginawa niya? Same damit, same lighting, music etc, would it still be offensive? Same attitude pushing for freedom of expression etc, would it still be offensive?
Gender is not an issue here. IF you will remember, naging issue din dati ang pag-iiba ng tono ng pagkanta ng Pambansang Awit ng Pilipinas. A lot of people didn't like it, because they said, nobody should changed it, it should've been solemn. Same with Faith and Religion, whatever it is, we should respect it! Porke ba member ng LGBTQ+ si accla, dapat exempted sya? Nagkamali sya, and ni hindi sya nag sorry, so, he should face the consequences.
Yup. Would still get the same rise out of the faithful who fond their faith and God mocked. Also, if he only attended the hearing na no-show siya, seguro may settlement at wala siyang warrant of arrest. All these is caused by PLV. Take out gender, the act itself is the basis and the accused's subsequent actions thereafter.
Pura dapat mag sorry ka nalang aminin m na nagkamali ka un lng nmn hnhnty ng mga tao accept m ngkmli ka..kysa ipagtanggol mpa gnwa m kc mali nmn tlga un dmu gnlang my mga nsktan...pro mali dn na ikulont kaluka ang oa na msydo...
12:37, So admitting na gumagawa lang kayo ng issue even mocking the catholic religion just to get your Sogie approved. Bastusan lang pala gusto nyo eh, ibigay namin sa inyo.
Kinasuhan sya ng civilians. Hindi sya sumipot, hence contempt of court at nagka warrant of arrest. Tama ba?
And please lang, nakakaumay yung "Drag is not a crime" call nila, HINDI DRAG ANG KASALANAN NYA PWEDE BA. Sasabihin nyo pa blanket statement sa LGBTQIA+ eh kayo kayo rin lang nagsusumiksik sa mga sarili nyo sa issue nya.
Gender PLAYS a big role. He did what he did because religion treated people like him as sin. What he did was extreme and somehow he was successful on the part of angering the Catholics. He probably didn’t expect that he’d be jailed because of it.
teh, ang daming lgbt na devout christians! kung may problema siya, he cpuld’ve just joined another religion na mas matatanggap siyanfoe that matter. bat kailangan babuyin?
In Philippine society pa? The concept of bakla, agi and the babaylan ay nasa lipunan na natin bago pa ang panahon espanyol. The lgbtq in Pinas enjoy many freedoms and levels of acceptance na wala sa western society. Do we burn, scourge or kill lgbtq members like they do in Arab countries? No, in fact we celebrate them especially in professions that only they can do so much better in (beauty, art, music, design). So don't exagerrate. Even if a huge percentage of Filipinos have opinionsnof what they believenis proper and right because of their faith and values, we are a very tolerant bunch. We can even tolerate the most degenerate of politicians and mendicant relatives, si Pura pa kaya? The reason hebis in thia situation is because of his own making. He made an entertainment out of 'Ama Namin', condemning it, making it a joke. This is the prayer taught by Jesus to his disciples. Jesusbis the central figure in our Catholic faith. Pagmukbang ng ostya - that was just so disrespectful and uncalled for. How can the faithful tolerate such blasphemy of 'the body of Christ'? It is but right that they seek redress for their grievances for deterrence and to defend their faith. They were willing to talk to him, but he won't even say sorry or acknowledge his actions andnit's impact. Just as PLV has the right to his freedoms, the Christians also have the right to theirs. Thisnis what equality means. Diversity and equality means we all have the same respnsibilities to each other and towards the law. PlV cannot be given an excuse just because of his gender. That would make our society unfair, favoring only the lgbtq. That's not right.
The issue was not about Pura’s gender but rather with her act of disrespecting the Catholic religion/faith. Dont muddle the issue. Ang tapang pa nya e. Walang remorse sa ginawa nya. Tapos ngayon pinapalabas na sha inapi. Duh? Stop spinning that this has to do with her gender preference. Ako nga na pro lgbtq naoffend sa ginawa nya paano pa kaya ung mga sagrado katoliko? She justifies it by saying that it is art and she is entitled to freedom of speech. But everything has limits and not evrrything is absolute.
Isa pa tong ice na to na HINDI MAKAINTINDI na hindi kasali sa issue ang gender identity dito. Ang ISSUE AY ANG PAG DISRESPECT NUNG PURA SA RELIGION NG IBA.
Again, this is not an LGBT issue. Kahit mga straight na sumaway sa batas na ito ay kinasuhan. One example is yung kaso ni Harriet Demetriou against Father Winston Cabading.
How do you divide a country? :) :) :) Easy... just pit men vs. women, LGBTQIA++ vs. straight, Catholics vs. Atheist, and so on and so fort while the politicians silently drain the nation's money :D :D :D It works and you penoys falls for it every time ;) ;) ;)
Ikr? The hypocrisy here in the comment section is laughable. First, they say they're offended because of their religion then proceed to bash ice & luka - if you're truly religious then what happened to 'love thy neighbour'? Dba? The irony...
5:48 - you made an incomplete quote and has taken it out of context. The first and greatest commandment is Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind” and the second is: “Love your neighbor as yourself”.
so kung susundin natin yang "Love thy neighbor" quote mo e di lahat na lang ng kriminal di makakasuhan. instead love thy neighbor. para saan pa ang batas kung papairalin natin yang love thy neighbor mo? ex. kaya mo bang i Love thy neighbor ang rapist ng anak mong babae? may divine laws pero meron ding Laws ang tao.
Thank you FP for posting this. I have lgbtq friends ah?! Pero ang mga taga lgtbq ang mga sobrang kasesensitive. E sila numero unong basher nga tulad nila. Sabihan mong “b*kla*, offensive daw. Di mo alam san ka lulugar sa kanila.
Nawalan ako bigla ng bilib kay Ice dahil sa pinag sasabi nya. Akala ko matalino sya. Wala naman nakulong dito sa pinas dahil member ng lgbtq. Ang issue ia Respect. Yun lang! Korni mo Ice!
Whoa, anong nangyare Ice? This is not an issue about LGBTQIA. but anyways, since against ka sa pagka kulong ni Pura, ikaw na mag piyansa sa kanya. Dami mo pang sinasabi eh kahit ibang mga taga lgbtqia ay not in favor sa ginawa nya.
If you have rights, others too... This has nothing to do with him being LGBTQ... That is how narrow minded you are, you only see what you want to see and disregard others because they don't conform with what you believe in and want... isn't that unfair too????
I have high respect on you Aiza. But you did not get the real picture here. This is not about LGBTQ issue, this is about how he blasphemously used the very prayer Jesus Christ taught us! As what other netizens here are saying, do that to our Muslim brothers and puka is nowhere to be found. This is about respect and belief in one's faith. And we never heard any apologies from this puka and now you are using the LGBTQ issue here? Know when and where to shut your ideas and/or opinion!
Mga Beauty Queens pwede for their National costume pero ang mga bakla hinde? Drag is a form of art for many of us! It is an expression! Baklang nagimpersonate kay Virgin Mary kakasuhan pero ang beauty Queen na gumaya sasanihamh dyosa! Isa itong kalokohan!!
Pero sa totoo lang no, i really think this has gone too far. Di ba turo sa atin ang magpatawad kahit di naman humihingi ng kapatawaran yung nagkasala sa atin? Whatever happened with that teaching of the church? Sure he went too far but wala rin naman syang pinatay or may namatay ba sa sobrang kunsumisyon because na offend masyado sa ginawa nya? How can a religion teach about forgiveness kung sila mismo di marunong magpatawad? Let God decide for his fate.
1:48, read my comment again. Di ba nga ang turo sa atin ay ang magpatawad kahit di humihingi ng patawad sino man may kasalanan sa atin, forgive pa rin. Kalokah naman na the church cannot practice what it preaches.
Ang tanong ko, meron pa ba ngayong inaapi ng LGBTQI+? Sa dami ng mga batang nakakapagpakita na na sila ay miyembro ng LGBTQI+, I think society has already accepted that people have certain gender preferences aside from being male or female. I don't think yung problema is as grave as before kasi kahit sa anong larangan, may mga LGBTQI+ naman who are successful or are occupying high positions in their own organizations/professions. Discrimation is such a broad term and it comes not only because people are members of LGBTQI+ it can stem from race, it can stem from culture, it can also stem from the character and attitude of a person. Kung masama ugali mo, malamang ayaw ka ng mga tao. So sa issue ni Ice, mas open minded and accepting na ang mga tao ngayon sa LGBTQI+ Minsan tignan din nila sa sarili nila, baka yung discrimination is because of race, culture or the character of the person. Gaya ni Luka, dahil sa sarili niyang actions kung bakit siya kinagagalitan ngayon at hindi dahil transexual siya.
Bakit ba unfair para sainyo? May nilabag na batas si Pura kaya andyan sya. Pwede naman sya magbail pag abuloy nyo lang ang kailngan if gusto nyo na makalaya. Yung mayayaman kasi may pambayad sila. Ganon ang batas ehh hindi kasalanan kung may pera sila.
Pura won’t be in jail if he didn’t violate any law. If Aiza has a problem with the law, she should have told Tito Sotto when he was still at the seat. Ngayon reklareklamo siya.
Sa true lang, the entitlement among LGBTQ members is irritating. Respect is a two-way street. Lagi kayo ngumangawa na respetohin pero pag kayo nangbastos sa common folks and their religion at may umangal, all of a sudden kayo ang victim by playing the gender card. Kairita.
Think hard before you post, Aiza Seguerra. It is never about gender issues. This person disguised his acts as performances / art. When, in fact, they are sacrilegious, offensive, blasphemous, disrespectful. Lest you forget that we are predominantly a Catholic nation. In our upbringing as Catholics, he deserves this arrest as a "learning punishment."
Aiza Seguerra, regardless of gender, mataas ang crime rate at expulsions sa trabaho, dont single out a certain group just to justify na merong discrimination. Gusto nyo maging acceptable pero what Pura did was disrespect sa mga taong hinihingan nyo ng acceptance. When asked to apologize eh nagmagaling pa. And ang point is hindi nya sineryoso ang warrant sa kanya kaya he wasted that chance na makapag counter affidavit sya, kaya ang siste, ayan kalaboso.
e di bilisan din nila ang action nila kapag may crime na nagawa sa kanila. bakit sisisihin yung mga umaksyon against PLV. e karapatan nila yun. kasalanan ba ng mga straight kung mabagal kumilos mga lgbtq...?
he was "crucified" not because of his gender but because of his performance, kahit straight siya, violation pa rin yung ginawa niya. we respect your beliefs, please respect ours too
Hindi naman siya inaresto dahil sa gender niya, inaresto siya because of her performance and being a persona non grata sa lugar.. may violation siya.
Kayo lang naman sa community ang nagsasaksak sa isip niyo na inaresto siya because of his gender. Mema lang eh, masabi lang may ganitong issue din sa pinas.
This was never about Pura being a part of LGBTQA++ . It was about PLV's performance. Drag was never a crime. Imagine him doing that to a different religion, let's say PLV depicted Allah. Ano sa tingin nyo magiging reception sa kanya ng mga Muslim, malamang masasaktan din sila. Kahit kailan hindi dapat gawing katatawanan yan dahil blasphemy yan. Hindi sya rumerespeto. Hindi yan dahil part sya ng isang community. Hindi na freedom of expression ang tawag dyan.
Kahit naman hindi sya part ng LGBTQIA+ bastos padin yung ginawa nya eh. Let's separate how he identify himself. Someone who's in their right mind won't ever consider this as a form of self expression and art.
Sa true lang. siya naman gumawa nito sa sarili niya. Ma-pride kasi siya. I think I also saw a news na naghihintay lang yung mga nagkaso sa kanya na magsorry siya kaso di niya ginawa. At nanghamon pa ng “bring it on” nung sunod-sunod yung persona non-grata niya. Kasama ang pride sa seven deadly sins. Di pa din ba niya narerealize that this is God’s way for him to be humbled
He was arrested because he did not show up for the hearing. He had a case because he violated a Republic Act. His warrant of arrest is to compel him to appear before the court which summoned him but which he subsequently ignored. Where in all that is his gender a factor? Wag maglihis ng usapan. Objective and factual, yan ang requirement ng forensics (forensics is not just the science used for evidence, it also refers to the requirements of court). Kung nag appear siya sa hearing walang warrant di siya inaresto. He had the freedom to defend himself from the accusations and the choice to find ways to solve the issues levelled against him. Nagdrama siya and ignored what could gave been a simple apology. He escalated the situation himself just like he caused all this by his own blasphemy and refusal to apologize to the faithful he condemned and offended.
Sandali lang po, inaresto siya dahil no show siya sa preliminary hearing. If you snub the court na naglatag na ng resources at time para ma process ang kaso, that means the kaw has the power to punish and compel you to attend. Eh matagal na pala ang proseso ah. Ibig sabihin alam na nibPura ang dates, may choices naman siya. Siya ang nagmykbabg bg Ostiya, siya ang gumawa ng circus performance kung saan ginawa niyang katatawanan ang kinamumuhian niyang 'Ama Namin' at siya rin ang nangunguna sa pagkantiyaw atbpagmovk sa paniniwala ng Mga taimtim na Kristiyano. Eh dibsiya rin ang dapat managot sa kaso sa kanya. Bakit siya no show? Do naman siya kinasuhan dahil sa gender biya kundi sa actions niya. Inaresto siya dahil di sumipot. Sino ngayon ang dapat managot, di ba siya? Dami niyang chances na mag apologize, mag settle. Wala siyang ginawa. Ngayon, sa isp niya, siya ang biktima. Ang hirap irespeto ang mga taong ganito ang feelings of priviledge and victimisation. Sila lang ang tama bahala na si Batman sa iba.
Tama ka 100%. Does Aiza knows exactly what is going on? Ano ba pinaglalaban nya talaga? Is it really that person who got arrested or pagiging part ng LGQBT? ano ba talaga?
How did this became a gender issue. Straight man yan na babae or lalaki same lang na may issue sa ginawa niya. My God, ginamit nanaman Nila ang sympathy card.
Wala ka sa hulog dito Ice. Hindi ito sakop ng separation of church and state. Hindi mo pwede i argue na bakit ang LGBTQ+++ madalas "naooffend" walang nagsasampa ng kaso. Be objective. Disrespectful without any bit of remorse. Kayo lang ba dapat respetuhin? Nbastos siya without remorse period.
LOUDER ICE sobrang unfair ng trato at tingin ng iba sa lgbt na kala ang lilinis pero may mga baho din na hindi kayang ilantad. Kala mo sila lang anak ng diyos kung umasta.
ReplyDeleteHuh? Di naman sya hinuli dahil lgbt sya.
Delete12.15am tama di ba? Hindi naman gender ang issue dito. RESPETO.
DeleteSinisimplify masyado ang kaso para mag mukhang kaawa awa at inaapi. Hindi lahat ng Katoliko ay nagtanggal sa trabaho, pumatay o nanakit sa inyo pero lahat kami nabastos ng Pura Luka na yan. At anong kinalaman ng separation ng Church and State ang pinagsasasabi mo? We Catholics have been tolerant. Kung sa Islam niya ginawa yan baka hindi na abutin ng isang linggong buhay yan. Galing ninyo mangbaliktad kayo na nga nambastos kayo pa pavictim.
DeleteNge. Pareho kayo ni siguerra na miss yung entire point. Parang binaliktad na lang bigla.
DeleteSeparation ng Church and State kamo? Di ba our Constitution gives us the right to practice freedom of religion? Kaya huwag ninyo bastusin ang relihiyon namin. Sabihin mo kay Luka magdamit Mohammad siya at dun siya magsasayaw sa Basilan. Dun siya mag practice ng Drag is Art niya. Kung gusto mo sumama ka na rin Ice artsy ka naman di ba?
DeleteAccla tama na @12:15, hindi pagiging Accla niya kumbakit siya nahuli… #RIPReadingCompre ka 😩
DeleteHe wanted to get a rise out of the public for clout. Ngayon na nakuha niya, pa awa na? The Philippines is probably one of the most tolerant countries when it comes to the gays. Ewan ko sa kanya bat ang dami niya pa sinasabi.
DeleteI agree with 12.38. Luka's offence was a disrespect to our faith. Why bring the gender discrimination card in the picture? Singing our Lord's Prayer in that manner is still offensive, regardless of whether a man, woman or someone from the LGBTQ community did something similar.
DeleteHe was arrested because he violated PD 960 n 969 which are about respecting any religion.
DeleteAng OA ni Aiza.
Ang babae ng pagka-intindi ni Ice ng tungkol sa separation of church and state. Tsaka hindi naman church ang nagsampa kay Pura ng kaso kundi mga tao na na-offend sa pambabastos nya sa beliefs ng mga Ito. Ganyan naman ang ibang LGBTQ, sumusobra na minsan ang self entitlement. Lumugar sa dapat kalagyan at matutong rumespeto sa iba. Kaya hindi kayo totally matanggap ng lipunan eh dahil sa ibang miyembro na balahura.
Delete12:44 Ayaw mong bastusin religion mo. Pero parang nagsasuggest ka ng ibang religion para bastusin? 🤦🏼♀️
DeleteLouder? How about we respect each other, and respect our religion and faith too? Yun ang problema sa ilan sa mga LGBTQIA eh, kapag sila nagsalita, walang offensive. Pero kapag binalikan mo sila, gender equality agad ang sigaw. As if the arrest is because he’s part of the community and not because of the offense committed. ‘Wag ganon, Ice. Ang mali ay mali. Mapa-babae, lalake, or part ng LGBTQIA community.
Deletemay mga batas naman tayo na applicable sa mga nasabi nya. siguro dapat lang na mag-file ng kaso? like pinatay? sinasaktan? tinanggalan ng dignidad? may mga batas tayo para dyan. kailangan pa ba ng exclusive na batas para sa mga LGBTQ? ang murder ay murder, whether babae, lalaki, bakla, tomboy etc ang pinatay...file a case....
Deletekung lalaki o babae na straight ang gumawa ng ginawa ng luka, kakasuhan pa rin. walang kinalaman ang gender card dito pati na rin ang separation of church and state. ano ba pinagsasasabi mo ha ICE?
DeleteWow ngayon na kelangan nyang harapin ang consequences eh unfair na? Sino bang nambastos? Yung mga police ba? Kayo pag mga pinaglalaban naman ok kayong mandamay at manira pero pag sumobra at nasktan at nakasakit kayo na kawawa. Hay nako
DeleteMaski si Aiza hindi alam ang separation of Church and State
DeleteTama! Hindi gender issue ito kundi disrespect to the catholic religion. Bastos sya!
DeleteAng layo ng comparison ice. Kung gusto mo ilaban laban nyo, ilaban mo ng walang sinasagasaang ibang karapatan o paniniwala. Kilabutan ka nga sa mga sinasabi mo. Sa kagustuhan mong iangat lgbtq gusto mo ilaglag ang religion? I feel sorry for u kung wala kang Panginoon.
DeleteArchaic or not, may batas sa Pilipinas para sa paggalang sa pananalig ng mga tao. Walang kinalaman ang drag o ang pagiging LGBTQIABCDEF+×÷- nya. Harapang bastusan sa paniniwala ng Katoliko ang ginawa ni accla, sorry pero deserve nya yan. Wag kayong pa-victim at tila ginagawa nyo nang victim card ang pagiging gay. Abonohan nyo na lang ang pampiyansa nya kung gusto nyo talaga siyang tulungan.
DeleteKinulong siya dahil wala siyang galang sa religion. Hindi dahil gay siya. O drag queen siya. Magkalinawan tayo dito.
May mga Katoliko na members ng LGBTQ ang na-offend rin sa kabastusan ng luka na yan.
DeleteMisinformed si Aiza. Kawawa naman.
DeleteNatamaan ba kayo? Totoo naman parepareho lang tayo makasalanan. Hindi porket straight ka malinis ka na. Yung iba dyaan palasimba nga pero may matinding baho pala.
Delete8:44 - . ang issue dito yung ginagawa ni pura.wala namang naglilinis-kamay dito at nagsasabing banal sila/kami.
DeleteI get Ice. I’m straight, but I get her sentiments.
DeleteEven CAtholic members of the LGBTQ.. were offended by what he did. kaya do not use the gender card here to act like the LGBTQ are the victims here. and please Separation of Church ansd State is irrelevant in this issue. Ano ba religion ni Ice? or Atheist ba siya?
Deletebonaks din pal tong si aiza akala ko matalino.. kya never mapasa yang sogie bill kc baliktad ang mga pag iisip karmaihan sa LGBT sa Pinas.
Delete@11:43 thru your personal experienced ba yan? Bakit ako beki pero never ako nakaramdam ng discrimination.
Deletekahit kelan di ako papabor dito sa luca na to. lalong tutol ako sa LGBT agenda kagaya nyang lgbt bill na sinusulong nila ngayon kasi marami silang karapatan na tatapakan.
Deletepero etong kaso na isinampa kay luca, dapat siguro madeclare yung batas na unconstitutional because it abridged luca's right to free expression. okay lang kasuhan kung may ginulo syang misa at don sya nagdrag show, she deserves to be jailed. pero yung performance nya, sa isang party club, that should be protected by the constitution
Oh no. I did not expect this from you Ice. Di ba gusto nyo irespeto kayo? Pero bakit hindi rin kayo maka respeto ng paniniwala ng iba? Paano kaya kung kayong LGBT yung i mock at bastusin? Diba aalma din kayo? There is separation of church and state pero hindi ibig sabihin pwedeng ng mang bastos at mangbalasubas ang kahit sino.
ReplyDeleteRespect begets respect. Gusto ng respeto eh yung pinagtanggol nya di marunong rumespeto. Tuloy madadamay ang karamihan ng LGBTQIA++ dito. Well sila naman nandamay dinala ang LGBTQIA++ sa laban ng isang taong walang respeto.
Delete"Paano kung LGBT ang i-mock at bastusin..." Nako, matagal at ang dami dami daming beses ng nangyare 'to, in all forms and platforms. Hindi magsasalita si Ice if hindi yan nakaranas ng insulto o pambabastos dahil sa kung ano s'ya at sa ngalan ng relihiyon.
Delete12:53 so kaninong kasalanan na binastos pala sya pero di sya umalma? Pero sa issue ni Luka na di naman sya ang binastos in fact si Luka yung bastos pero nakikisawsaw sya.
Delete1253 Manny Pacquiao is not a catholic, Quibuloy is not a catholic... Tingin mo ba katoliko lang ang nambastos sa gender??? Teka Hindi rin lahat ng katoliko eh nambabastos ng gender ah...ang ginawa ng isang tao eh Hindi kagagawan ng lahat
DeleteAng difference eh may batas sa paggalang ng religion. Yung sa inyo, wala pa. Paano isasabatas ang hinihingi nyong SOGIE eh yung simpleng paggalang sa paniniwala ng karamihan hindi nyo masunod? Tapos sino ulit ang mga gumagawa ng batas? Ah oo, yung mga taong inoffend ng lukaret na to.
DeleteRespect begets respect.
12:53 pero tama ba na bastusin at insultuhin ang paniniwala ng iba tulad ng ginawa ng Luka na yan? Kaya kung balikan man sya ng mga na-offend eh dapat lang sa kanya yun.
DeleteLol decades nang nababastos LGBTQIA community for being who they are. Binubugbog, pinapatay pa nga. Kung kasuhan si PLV dahil may naoffend, may right pa rin siya mag post ng bail, mag explain ng side niya.
DeleteExplain that to court Ice not in social media
ReplyDeleteBogyan nyo muna ng pampiyansa at abogado ang bruha, bago kumuda.
Deletekaloka. victim mentality na lang palagi ang mga yan
DeleteLOL!!! @6.59
DeleteIt does not have to be respect for religion versus respect for gender identity. Hindi porke't nirerecognize ng mga batas na bawal mambastos ng relihiyon ibig sabihin hindi dapat protektahan ang gender identity ng isang tao. Magkaiba ang cause na yan. For all you know, yung ibang na-offend ang religious sensisbilties ay nga members din ng LGBTQIA+.
ReplyDeleteActually, majority pa nga ng LGTBQIA+ (which includes me) ay nabastos sa ginawa ni Acclang PLV…
DeleteTrue! Mismong mga LGBTOIA++ eh against sa ginawa ng Pura na ito!
DeleteWord! Louder, sis!
Delete2 different issues. Wag ipag-overlap!
Wrong use of the context of separation of church and state.
ReplyDeleteNever mock any kind of religion. Regardless of the gender, this is a mortal sin.
DeleteThis @12:22! I mean, there have been wars in the past coz of Religion, ganun siya ka big deal! If ginawa pa nga ni Accla yan sa Islam, tignan ko lang san pulutin si Accla…
DeleteNaligaw yata si Ice. Tsk tsk poor comprehenshun. Kung babae pa yun o lalake, kung bastos talaga ay ganyan din kahihinatnan.
DeleteKung ang ibang religion ang na-mock tulad ng Islam eh baka tameme ka Ice or whatever.
DeleteBelieve it or not, nangyayari talaga yung mga binanggit nya. I know someone na naligwak sa work dahil sa religion. But not lgbt reason. Mainly religion talaga, kaya sana di na nya binanggit yung lgbt, cos it can happen to anyone
ReplyDeleteTruee. It’s not about being lgbt
DeleteSadly, marami sa myembro ng lgbtq ang may victim mentality. Even if it has nothing to do with lgbtq, gagawin parin nilang about lgbtq.
DeleteSa case na ito, it’s all about disrespecting religion and nothing to do with gender or pronouns.
pa-victim na naman kasi.
Deletewag ka na makisawsaw ice. i don't think there's discrimaination here when it comes to lgbtqia. have you even seen his/her videos? kahit di ako religious, nakakabastos naman kasi talaga yung ginawa niya. not only he/she did it once, may pa-provoke pa siyang sinasabi and inulit ulit pa niya.
ReplyDeletePwede pa nga yata sya kasuhan ng unjust vexation kasi Inuit ulit pa nya ang pambabastos. Parang inaasar pa lalo ang mga taong nagalit sa ginawa nya.
DeleteSana kasuhan pa nga ng unjust vexation nang hindi na makalabas ang bruha
DeleteAiza, tama ka nga naman. Bakit si Tatay Digong mo hindi nga naman nakulong no? dami nun sinagasaan na Human Rights violation. Haaizt
ReplyDeleteDiba Duterte Supporter yang si Ice?
DeleteYes, she's a major Duterte supporter kaya no wonder, baliko din pag iisip.
DeleteOo @12:03 kasi na appoint sa MMDA jowa niya
DeleteBasta maisama lang si Digong sa isyu...kalokah kayo
DeletePati itong si Aiza, nagka gov't position nung panahon ni Duterte. Pare-pareho lang pala ang mga way of thinking ng mga ito. Utak kulto!
DeleteC'mon guys walang kinalaman dito si Duterte.
DeleteThat Luka disrespected the religious beliefs, as well as the religion itself. Maarte lang talaga si Ice.
kung sinu sino na lang dinadawit ng mga makikitid ang isip.
Delete1:27, 1:37, ad 2:10 sabi ni Digz "Who is this fkng God?" and binatikos nya Ang Pope. Check mo Youtube. Bastos sya yung dinadawit.
Delete1154 Tama
Deletee di idemanda nyo ngayon si FPRRD. wala na syang immunity. maipasok lang ang hate kahit mali ang context ng pagkakaintindi. para kayong si Ice, mahina comprehension. panoorin nyo buong speech ni FPRRD. wag yung splice d lang ng mga haters. o kaya yun nga idemanda nyo.
DeleteHave to agree with him. Remember Carlos Celdran? Remember the condoms on an art exhibit? Bilis lang sampolan and nationwide coverage pa. Pero do you guys remember the string of cases of gay men who were killed in 2010s? No diba. They were forgotten.
ReplyDeleteThis is not to say that Pura was right. But this is an overreaction na ipakulong. Turn the other cheek.
But then again this is a political move. The Church has a sway with its devout followers.
It was not the Church’s fault kung if they crimes were forgotten so why disrespect and punish the Church and the Cathloics?
Delete11:58 we have laws about respecting religions , their beliefs and practices.
Delete11:58 pakiusapan nyo yung mga taong nagsampa ng kaso na iurong nila ang demanda.
DeleteSome people took the time to slap cases against him. Let him answer those. And Ice? Just pay for his lawyer if you feel so strongly about this. Put your money where your mouth is.
Delete1158 Di nanan CBCP ang nag-file ng case. Rather people believe in Catholic faith ang nag-file. Magkaiba iyon.
DeleteNaku sige Aiza hindi ka din tatantanan ng mga naooffend ni Pura. Baka gusto mong araw arawin ka din i-bash sa baluktot mong pag iisip.
ReplyDelete12:04 pa-deep din ang isang yan eh. Kala mo napakatalino kung magsalita.
DeleteCatholic din ako and I found the act offensive as well, but do we have to do this? Ruin a person's life? For me, hindi naman nabago ang faith and beliefs ko kahit ginawa nya yon kahit di sya nag apologize for what he did.
ReplyDeleteOn the flipside, this is also holding him accountable for his actions. My only question for our church is: have we exhausted all means to reconcile with this man? If so, a case filed is but just, but if not… we have failed to represent Jesus to this lost man.
DeleteWhatever his happening to him now, he brought it on himself. This will not ruin his life. He just needs to apologize. Or pay the bail. He can learn humility and respect from this.
DeleteThose against Luka did not ruin Luka's life. Luka did this on his own. And for those who are outraged with what he did and are moved to action, we could not blame them. Sometimes, we also need to defend our loved ones and beliefs. If he did that song about someone's loved one, expect the other person/ party to be mad as well.
DeleteTinutuloy tuloy pa rin kasi ang pambabastos kaya deserve nya ang makulong.
Deletehe did it to himself. mayabang pa e. naghamon pa. ngayon pa-victim
DeleteAiza, ang nga yan ay ngyayari kahit kanino. Itabi mo ang gender issues at religious matters. Simplehan lang ntin, wag kang gumawa ng mali.
ReplyDeleteMarami ang nasaktan sa ginawa ni Pura, naging mainit ang issue na yan. Pero ni minsan di sya humingi ng sorry. Mapagmataas pa sya kasi anjan kayong nakikisimpatya.
Oo lahat ay nagkakamali. May kanikaniyang kaparusahan sa tamang panahon. Di porket kasamahan mo sa lgbt, eh tama na kayo. Ang mali ay mali. Tapis.
Btw im part of lgbtq pero dun ako sa patas, tama at maayos na pamumuhay kung saan irerespeto ako.
Wow ang tapang nya to say this yun lang masabi ko as atheist ko, ayoko maki sawsaw
ReplyDeleteAyaw makisawsaw yet enabler ka ni Aiza to even praise her emabking tendencies… tigil mo yan accla!
Deletepublic apology lang dapat ang katapa. and yet lalo pa nyang ginalit mga tao by continuing to mock our faith. naghamon pa di ba? ngayon iiyak iyak... Ice wag mo ipasok ang gender card pa-victim mo sa issue na to.
DeleteYes it's unfair BUT he was arrested because NO SHOW siya sa hearing! Kung umattend siya baka hindi naisampa yung kaso. The reason the warrant of arrest was served is because he snubbed the preliminary hearing.
ReplyDelete12:20 THIS!
DeletePati justice system ayaw respetuhin? Contempt of court yan.
DeleteKaya naman pala. Thanks for stating this.
Deletesobrang pasikat kasi tong si Luka. Bad publicity is still a publicity para sa kanya at ang angas pa. akala mo kung ano yung pinaglalaban.
ReplyDeleteDiscrimination card is always your last bet. Take advantage of it.
ReplyDeleteSa mga supporters ni Pura Luka esp the LGBTQ+ community, wag kayong bumitaw financially.
ReplyDeleteReally interested na makaabot ito sa Supreme Court at maging landmark case.⚖️
This would set precedence for drag acts in the country. Also when it comes to cases like this, leaning naman most of the time towards freedom of expression ang SC.
A legal basis for LGBTQ+ community in lieu muna kasi di ma pasa pasa ang SOGIE.
Nasan na supporters ni Pura? Those who egg him to continue his performance? Taga cheer lang sila pero si Pura ang nakulong at mapaparusahan.
ReplyDeletePabida at utu uto rin kasi ang luka
DeleteI think he needs cash for legal fees and bail over cheers, hahaha!
DeleteLOL!!! @2.19 tanggal pustiso ko sayo accla
Deleteluh??? bat kinakabit ang isyu sa gender??? yun ba ang isyu kaya nakulong at aresto si Luka??? Mema din to! kaloka yung mga nasa twitter meron pang hanash na #worshipthegays at #freeluka eme tapos drag is not a crime eme pa! iniiwas yung isyu ng kabastusan, pangbababoy at ginagawang katatawanan ang imahe at mga kanta ng simbahan! gusto ng respeto pero di kaya gawin sa iba??? ikaw na nagsabi madali magkaso EH DI GAWIN NYO! madali naman pala eh???? wala pang Sogie apaka entitled at bastos nyo na! kaloka!r
ReplyDeleteAiza, respect is a two way street. When someone makes fun of the lgbtq community, you all get offended by it. Same is true for people who value their faith. Maypa archaic ka pang nalalaman dyan. You talk about your dignity? No one is robbing it away from luka. You want to be respected? Look for a decent job. It doesn't have to be a job that makes a mockery of other people's faith or culture. That's just downright disrespectful.
ReplyDeleteUh, his gender identity is not the issue here. Yung acts nya ang kinocondemn. Wag kayo lumihis.
ReplyDeletei just think it's too much na ikulong siya for the ama namin musical. i mean???? may namatay ba? may nahalay ba? may nanakawan ba ng 100 million in tax?
ReplyDeletenaoffend kayo sa ginawa niya? eh kayong mga naoffend di kayo nagkakasala ganon? this is outrageous hypocrisy i swear
Dzai, may nakukulong sa unjust vexation and libel with proper evidence. Walang namatay, walang nahalay, walang nanakawan. Just like Luka, may nilabag na batas, may nagreklamo, may ebidensya, may kaso. Isipin mo na lang na ang simbahang Katoliko ay binubuo ng mga tao, naoffend sila at nagreklamo.
Delete12:48 AM may nalabag siya na batas. Ang dami pang mental gymnastics neto eh simple lang naman ang sagot.
DeleteThis is not about getting offensive or what not, he was arrested because he didn't attend the hearing. Also, It was about mocking religion. Wala ngang nanakawan ng milyones, pero may inalisan ng respeto. LGBTQ+ always asked to be respected, but look what he did? "Don't do unto others what you don't want others do unto you." Simple lang yan mga accla! Simpleng komprehensyon lang pls. Wag nyong ilihis ang usapan!
DeleteDi mo alam ung reason. So kuda ka lang jan hanggang mahimasmasan ka.
DeleteI am very much offended. I am not God, therefore I am also a sinner. But I will not do such thing to any religion or faith. If somebody will disrespect anyone of my love ones , I will be very very offended what more if someone did it to Jesus Christ? He is my everything. That is the Lord's prayer, a very sacred prayer.
DeletePura did the sacramental bread (Ostiya) mukbang challenge as well, that is a very disrespectful act. Respect begets respect.
12:48 lumabag po sya sa batas
DeleteRegardless of your gender identity, puede magdemanda pag abused or any unfair treatment, karapatan ng bawat tao yun.. That’s basic human rights.. So walang kinalaman sa gender ang issue.. Don’t use the gender thing to get away with this kind of cases..
ReplyDeleteRespect begets respect. Dignity begets dignity. And the blasphemer and violator of certain Republic Act gets what's due. Take away gender from the equation. This is not political. Let us just base it on the actions of the person in question. Said accused had quite a number of times to change or even apologize. Yet the accused dug in, looking downnon a faith sp important to so many, blaspheming the center of that faith, using 'Ama Namin', and the crucifix of Christas cheap entertainment, taking potshots at the faithful, without mercy. What then, if there is a law broken, should it just be allowed because of the 'gender card'? The gender card is not a get out of jail free card. PLV is an adult and is responsible for whatever actions he has taken. Let's be rational and let the law take it's due course. This then becomes a deterrent to similar behavior. Diversity and equality also means we are all equally accountable for our actions, whatever our background, politics, status or gender.
ReplyDeleteThis 👆
Delete12:49 well said
DeleteJusko andaming invested dito sa pagpapakulong kay Pura. Sana ganyan din kayo ka invested sa ibat ibang issue sa bansa. Manood na lang kayo ng mga senate hearing at batikusin nyo yung mga senador na pinagboboto nyo na walang depth magcomment! Para matauhan din sila! Hindi lang si Pura ang dapat matauhan no! Jusko kayo.
ReplyDeletebeh yung article tungkol kay pura. malamang sa malamang puro tungkol talaga sa kanya mga comments dito :)) lipat ka sa state affairs section baks lol
Delete12:56 - naligaw ka yata.
DeleteSo, dahil LGBTQ sya dapat exempted sya sa batas? Using gender card in a wrong way. Wala pang bastusan. Period! Kung ibang paniniwala yung ginanyan nya, baka capital punishment pa nga yung kahihinatnan nya. Try nya!
ReplyDeleteTry nya talaga kung talagangatapang sya. Punta sya Mindanao, dun sya magpasikat.
DeleteThis is not a matter of being a member of the LGBTQ+. Wag naman sana gawing isa sa dahilan yun kumbakit nakulong si Pura. It's about respect... Kahit naman siguro yung hindi member ng LGBTQ+ kung ganyan din ang gagawin eh sasampahan din ng reklamo diba?
ReplyDeleteAsk yourself, kung straight guy si Luka and hindi member ng lgbtqia, offensive ba yung ginawa niya? Same damit, same lighting, music etc, would it still be offensive? Same attitude pushing for freedom of expression etc, would it still be offensive?
ReplyDeleteGender is not an issue here. IF you will remember, naging issue din dati ang pag-iiba ng tono ng pagkanta ng Pambansang Awit ng Pilipinas. A lot of people didn't like it, because they said, nobody should changed it, it should've been solemn. Same with Faith and Religion, whatever it is, we should respect it! Porke ba member ng LGBTQ+ si accla, dapat exempted sya? Nagkamali sya, and ni hindi sya nag sorry, so, he should face the consequences.
DeleteYup. Would still get the same rise out of the faithful who fond their faith and God mocked. Also, if he only attended the hearing na no-show siya, seguro may settlement at wala siyang warrant of arrest. All these is caused by PLV. Take out gender, the act itself is the basis and the accused's subsequent actions thereafter.
DeleteYes! Ok na?
DeleteYes. DUH.
DeleteYES, still offensive any other way
DeleteOo, at malamang mas mabilis pa sa alas kwatro nasampulan ng bardagulan yan kung straight na lalaki yan.
DeleteOo nmn
DeleteOo cause he made a mockery of our God.
DeletePura dapat mag sorry ka nalang aminin m na nagkamali ka un lng nmn hnhnty ng mga tao accept m ngkmli ka..kysa ipagtanggol mpa gnwa m kc mali nmn tlga un dmu gnlang my mga nsktan...pro mali dn na ikulont kaluka ang oa na msydo...
ReplyDelete12:37, So admitting na gumagawa lang kayo ng issue even mocking the catholic religion just to get your Sogie approved. Bastusan lang pala gusto nyo eh, ibigay namin sa inyo.
ReplyDeleteKinasuhan sya ng civilians. Hindi sya sumipot, hence contempt of court at nagka warrant of arrest. Tama ba?
ReplyDeleteAnd please lang, nakakaumay yung "Drag is not a crime" call nila, HINDI DRAG ANG KASALANAN NYA PWEDE BA. Sasabihin nyo pa blanket statement sa LGBTQIA+ eh kayo kayo rin lang nagsusumiksik sa mga sarili nyo sa issue nya.
Gender PLAYS a big role. He did what he did because religion treated people like him as sin. What he did was extreme and somehow he was successful on the part of angering the Catholics. He probably didn’t expect that he’d be jailed because of it.
ReplyDeleteteh, ang daming lgbt na devout christians! kung may problema siya, he cpuld’ve just joined another religion na mas matatanggap siyanfoe that matter. bat kailangan babuyin?
DeleteIn Philippine society pa? The concept of bakla, agi and the babaylan ay nasa lipunan na natin bago pa ang panahon espanyol. The lgbtq in Pinas enjoy many freedoms and levels of acceptance na wala sa western society. Do we burn, scourge or kill lgbtq members like they do in Arab countries? No, in fact we celebrate them especially in professions that only they can do so much better in (beauty, art, music, design). So don't exagerrate. Even if a huge percentage of Filipinos have opinionsnof what they believenis proper and right because of their faith and values, we are a very tolerant bunch. We can even tolerate the most degenerate of politicians and mendicant relatives, si Pura pa kaya? The reason hebis in thia situation is because of his own making. He made an entertainment out of 'Ama Namin', condemning it, making it a joke. This is the prayer taught by Jesus to his disciples. Jesusbis the central figure in our Catholic faith. Pagmukbang ng ostya - that was just so disrespectful and uncalled for. How can the faithful tolerate such blasphemy of 'the body of Christ'? It is but right that they seek redress for their grievances for deterrence and to defend their faith. They were willing to talk to him, but he won't even say sorry or acknowledge his actions andnit's impact. Just as PLV has the right to his freedoms, the Christians also have the right to theirs. Thisnis what equality means. Diversity and equality means we all have the same respnsibilities to each other and towards the law. PlV cannot be given an excuse just because of his gender. That would make our society unfair, favoring only the lgbtq. That's not right.
DeleteThe issue was not about Pura’s gender but rather with her act of disrespecting the Catholic religion/faith. Dont muddle the issue. Ang tapang pa nya e. Walang remorse sa ginawa nya. Tapos ngayon pinapalabas na sha inapi. Duh? Stop spinning that this has to do with her gender preference. Ako nga na pro lgbtq naoffend sa ginawa nya paano pa kaya ung mga sagrado katoliko? She justifies it by saying that it is art and she is entitled to freedom of speech. But everything has limits and not evrrything is absolute.
ReplyDeleteIsa pa tong ice na to na HINDI MAKAINTINDI na hindi kasali sa issue ang gender identity dito. Ang ISSUE AY ANG PAG DISRESPECT NUNG PURA SA RELIGION NG IBA.
ReplyDeleteMakes me wonder, may diyos kayang pinaniniwalaan ang mga tong tulad niya na hindi maintindihan na hindi gender identity ang issue dito
ReplyDelete1:57 o sadya rin lang bastos at makitid ang pag-iisip?
DeleteAgain, this is not an LGBT issue. Kahit mga straight na sumaway sa batas na ito ay kinasuhan. One example is yung kaso ni Harriet Demetriou against Father Winston Cabading.
ReplyDeleteHow do you divide a country? :) :) :) Easy... just pit men vs. women, LGBTQIA++ vs. straight, Catholics vs. Atheist, and so on and so fort while the politicians silently drain the nation's money :D :D :D It works and you penoys falls for it every time ;) ;) ;)
ReplyDeleteIkr? The hypocrisy here in the comment section is laughable. First, they say they're offended because of their religion then proceed to bash ice & luka - if you're truly religious then what happened to 'love thy neighbour'? Dba? The irony...
Delete5:48 - you made an incomplete quote and has taken it out of context. The first and greatest commandment is Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind” and the second is: “Love your neighbor as yourself”.
Deleteso kung susundin natin yang "Love thy neighbor" quote mo e di lahat na lang ng kriminal di makakasuhan. instead love thy neighbor. para saan pa ang batas kung papairalin natin yang love thy neighbor mo? ex. kaya mo bang i Love thy neighbor ang rapist ng anak mong babae? may divine laws pero meron ding Laws ang tao.
DeleteThank you FP for posting this. I have lgbtq friends ah?! Pero ang mga taga lgtbq ang mga sobrang kasesensitive. E sila numero unong basher nga tulad nila. Sabihan mong “b*kla*, offensive daw. Di mo alam san ka lulugar sa kanila.
ReplyDeleteMy goodness aiza dami sinabi Mali mali naman
ReplyDeleteNawalan ako bigla ng bilib kay Ice dahil sa pinag sasabi nya. Akala ko matalino sya. Wala naman nakulong dito sa pinas dahil member ng lgbtq. Ang issue ia Respect. Yun lang! Korni mo Ice!
ReplyDeleteWhoa, anong nangyare Ice? This is not an issue about LGBTQIA. but anyways, since against ka sa pagka kulong ni Pura, ikaw na mag piyansa sa kanya. Dami mo pang sinasabi eh kahit ibang mga taga lgbtqia ay not in favor sa ginawa nya.
ReplyDeleteIf you have rights, others too...
ReplyDeleteThis has nothing to do with him being LGBTQ...
That is how narrow minded you are, you only see what you want to see and disregard others because they don't conform with what you believe in and want... isn't that unfair too????
I have high respect on you Aiza. But you did not get the real picture here. This is not about LGBTQ issue, this is about how he blasphemously used the very prayer Jesus Christ taught us! As what other netizens here are saying, do that to our Muslim brothers and puka is nowhere to be found. This is about respect and belief in one's faith. And we never heard any apologies from this puka and now you are using the LGBTQ issue here? Know when and where to shut your ideas and/or opinion!
ReplyDeletebat LGBT card na naman..???haler ice hindi yan ang issue.
ReplyDeletec aiza naman :)
ReplyDeleteMga Beauty Queens pwede for their National costume pero ang mga bakla hinde? Drag is a form of art for many of us! It is an expression! Baklang nagimpersonate kay Virgin Mary kakasuhan pero ang beauty Queen na gumaya sasanihamh dyosa! Isa itong kalokohan!!
ReplyDeleteHumanap k ng kausap mo
DeletePInagsasabi mo? Sinong beauty queen ba nagsasayaw sa Ama Namin? At nung sinita inulit ulit pa? Sino baks?
DeleteHinahanap ko ung IG post nya, wala na. Nahimasmasan siguro haha
ReplyDeletelgbt card again.
ReplyDeleteOA ng pagaaresto as in.
ReplyDeletePero sa totoo lang no, i really think this has gone too far. Di ba turo sa atin ang magpatawad kahit di naman humihingi ng kapatawaran yung nagkasala sa atin? Whatever happened with that teaching of the church? Sure he went too far but wala rin naman syang pinatay or may namatay ba sa sobrang kunsumisyon because na offend masyado sa ginawa nya? How can a religion teach about forgiveness kung sila mismo di marunong magpatawad? Let God decide for his fate.
ReplyDeleteThis! 🥴
DeleteMadaling magpatawad kung humihingi ng paumanhin. Did he? Pura did the ostiya mukbang challenge pa after, right?
Delete1:48, read my comment again. Di ba nga ang turo sa atin ay ang magpatawad kahit di humihingi ng patawad sino man may kasalanan sa atin, forgive pa rin. Kalokah naman na the church cannot practice what it preaches.
DeleteWala naman kinalaman ang kasarian sa kaso. It's about the disrespect of a religion. Hindi lahat about lgbtq. Sus!
ReplyDeleteWhat an ignorant, self absorbed comment from Aiza.
ReplyDeleteAng tanong ko, meron pa ba ngayong inaapi ng LGBTQI+? Sa dami ng mga batang nakakapagpakita na na sila ay miyembro ng LGBTQI+, I think society has already accepted that people have certain gender preferences aside from being male or female. I don't think yung problema is as grave as before kasi kahit sa anong larangan, may mga LGBTQI+ naman who are successful or are occupying high positions in their own organizations/professions. Discrimation is such a broad term and it comes not only because people are members of LGBTQI+ it can stem from race, it can stem from culture, it can also stem from the character and attitude of a person. Kung masama ugali mo, malamang ayaw ka ng mga tao. So sa issue ni Ice, mas open minded and accepting na ang mga tao ngayon sa LGBTQI+ Minsan tignan din nila sa sarili nila, baka yung discrimination is because of race, culture or the character of the person. Gaya ni Luka, dahil sa sarili niyang actions kung bakit siya kinagagalitan ngayon at hindi dahil transexual siya.
ReplyDeleteBakit ba unfair para sainyo? May nilabag na batas si Pura kaya andyan sya. Pwede naman sya magbail pag abuloy nyo lang ang kailngan if gusto nyo na makalaya. Yung mayayaman kasi may pambayad sila. Ganon ang batas ehh hindi kasalanan kung may pera sila.
ReplyDeletePura won’t be in jail if he didn’t violate any law. If Aiza has a problem with the law, she should have told Tito Sotto when he was still at the seat. Ngayon reklareklamo siya.
ReplyDeleteSa true lang, the entitlement among LGBTQ members is irritating. Respect is a two-way street. Lagi kayo ngumangawa na respetohin pero pag kayo nangbastos sa common folks and their religion at may umangal, all of a sudden kayo ang victim by playing the gender card. Kairita.
ReplyDeletePano pa kaya kung maaprubahan ang sogie bill? Baka lalong lumobo ang ulo ng ibang members nyan.
DeleteKorrrraaaaaaaaak
DeleteThink hard before you post, Aiza Seguerra. It is never about gender issues. This person disguised his acts as performances / art. When, in fact, they are sacrilegious, offensive, blasphemous, disrespectful. Lest you forget that we are predominantly a Catholic nation. In our upbringing as Catholics, he deserves this arrest as a "learning punishment."
ReplyDeleteAiza Seguerra, regardless of gender, mataas ang crime rate at expulsions sa trabaho, dont single out a certain group just to justify na merong discrimination. Gusto nyo maging acceptable pero what Pura did was disrespect sa mga taong hinihingan nyo ng acceptance. When asked to apologize eh nagmagaling pa. And ang point is hindi nya sineryoso ang warrant sa kanya kaya he wasted that chance na makapag counter affidavit sya, kaya ang siste, ayan kalaboso.
ReplyDeleteWag niyo gamitin yung LGBT as issue sa ginawa nyan. Ang issue dito naka offend siya. Kung nagsimpleng apology na lang siya hindi sana aabot sa ganyan.
ReplyDeleteAng kaso ay direspecting the Catholic religious beliefs.Parang kay Carlos Celdran,who interrupted an ongoing mass in church.He was jailed
ReplyDeleteI’m against how he performed it but i also am against of considering it as a crime.
ReplyDeleteGuys ang point ni Ice ay ang mabilis na pag aksyon when it involves to religious beliefs Pero pag rights ng lgbtq ang kupad kumilos!!!
ReplyDeletePumunta sila ng America para mag ka “rights” sila
Deletee di bilisan din nila ang action nila kapag may crime na nagawa sa kanila. bakit sisisihin yung mga umaksyon against PLV. e karapatan nila yun. kasalanan ba ng mga straight kung mabagal kumilos mga lgbtq...?
Deletehe was "crucified" not because of his gender but because of his performance, kahit straight siya, violation pa rin yung ginawa niya. we respect your beliefs, please respect ours too
ReplyDeletetold ya.. here comes the LGBTQIA+ card.
ReplyDeleteHindi naman siya inaresto dahil sa gender niya, inaresto siya because of her performance and being a persona non grata sa lugar.. may violation siya.
Kayo lang naman sa community ang nagsasaksak sa isip niyo na inaresto siya because of his gender. Mema lang eh, masabi lang may ganitong issue din sa pinas.
This was never about Pura being a part of LGBTQA++ . It was about PLV's performance. Drag was never a crime. Imagine him doing that to a different religion, let's say PLV depicted Allah. Ano sa tingin nyo magiging reception sa kanya ng mga Muslim, malamang masasaktan din sila. Kahit kailan hindi dapat gawing katatawanan yan dahil blasphemy yan. Hindi sya rumerespeto. Hindi yan dahil part sya ng isang community. Hindi na freedom of expression ang tawag dyan.
ReplyDeleteKahit naman hindi sya part ng LGBTQIA+ bastos padin yung ginawa nya eh. Let's separate how he identify himself. Someone who's in their right mind won't ever consider this as a form of self expression and art.
ReplyDeleteIce, if you are going to give a statement like that, provide actual data to support your claim.
ReplyDeleteSa true lang. siya naman gumawa nito sa sarili niya. Ma-pride kasi siya. I think I also saw a news na naghihintay lang yung mga nagkaso sa kanya na magsorry siya kaso di niya ginawa. At nanghamon pa ng “bring it on” nung sunod-sunod yung persona non-grata niya. Kasama ang pride sa seven deadly sins. Di pa din ba niya narerealize that this is God’s way for him to be humbled
ReplyDeleteHe was arrested because he did not show up for the hearing. He had a case because he violated a Republic Act. His warrant of arrest is to compel him to appear before the court which summoned him but which he subsequently ignored. Where in all that is his gender a factor? Wag maglihis ng usapan. Objective and factual, yan ang requirement ng forensics (forensics is not just the science used for evidence, it also refers to the requirements of court). Kung nag appear siya sa hearing walang warrant di siya inaresto. He had the freedom to defend himself from the accusations and the choice to find ways to solve the issues levelled against him. Nagdrama siya and ignored what could gave been a simple apology. He escalated the situation himself just like he caused all this by his own blasphemy and refusal to apologize to the faithful he condemned and offended.
ReplyDeletehello aiza ..sobrang sama ng ginawa niya,...himdi dahil sa member sia ng LGBT....
ReplyDeleteExplain bakit masama
DeleteSandali lang po, inaresto siya dahil no show siya sa preliminary hearing. If you snub the court na naglatag na ng resources at time para ma process ang kaso, that means the kaw has the power to punish and compel you to attend. Eh matagal na pala ang proseso ah. Ibig sabihin alam na nibPura ang dates, may choices naman siya. Siya ang nagmykbabg bg Ostiya, siya ang gumawa ng circus performance kung saan ginawa niyang katatawanan ang kinamumuhian niyang 'Ama Namin' at siya rin ang nangunguna sa pagkantiyaw atbpagmovk sa paniniwala ng Mga taimtim na Kristiyano. Eh dibsiya rin ang dapat managot sa kaso sa kanya. Bakit siya no show? Do naman siya kinasuhan dahil sa gender biya kundi sa actions niya. Inaresto siya dahil di sumipot. Sino ngayon ang dapat managot, di ba siya? Dami niyang chances na mag apologize, mag settle. Wala siyang ginawa. Ngayon, sa isp niya, siya ang biktima. Ang hirap irespeto ang mga taong ganito ang feelings of priviledge and victimisation. Sila lang ang tama bahala na si Batman sa iba.
ReplyDeleteTama ka 100%. Does Aiza knows exactly what is going on? Ano ba pinaglalaban nya talaga? Is it really that person who got arrested or pagiging part ng LGQBT? ano ba talaga?
DeleteHindi niya alam. Sa sobrang dami ng nagsasampa sa kanya, hindi na siya aware.
DeleteAgree ako sayo, pero pwede pakiayos typing skills mo? Hirap basahin e
Deletemangmang itong si Aiza
ReplyDeleteI would have supported Pura Luka Vega if only he admitted that his intention was to offend people. He still denies that his art was meant to offend.
ReplyDeleteHow did this became a gender issue. Straight man yan na babae or lalaki same lang na may issue sa ginawa niya. My God, ginamit nanaman Nila ang sympathy card.
ReplyDeleteRespect begets Respect. This is not a gender issue.
ReplyDeleteUnahin ang respeto sa Diyos bago ang lahat. Tandaan mo yan Aiza.
ReplyDeleteWala ka sa hulog dito Ice. Hindi ito sakop ng separation of church and state. Hindi mo pwede i argue na bakit ang LGBTQ+++ madalas "naooffend" walang nagsasampa ng kaso. Be objective. Disrespectful without any bit of remorse. Kayo lang ba dapat respetuhin? Nbastos siya without remorse period.
ReplyDeleteAy lost din tong si Aiza. Mag research muna bago kuda.
ReplyDeletesuspend muna natin ang batas.. habang may lgbtq+ na inaapi!
ReplyDeleteBut blasphemous is a sin, ang kasalanan na Hindi napapatawad nasa Bible yan. God is God, respect!
ReplyDeleteRespect begets respect....
ReplyDeleteyou want to be respected but do not respect others? yan ba ang tama Ice?????