Sabi ng Santo Papa, we are here to understand. Si God ang magja-judge sa ating lahat. That in itself is a big shift for Catholics at talagang clap clap clap ako nung narinig ko yan.
im on izzy’s side, tanggap naman pagkabakla pero to the point na bnabastos mo na sarili mo, napanuod nyo ba sayaw nya ng sexbomb sa isang bar? may mga taong pagtatawanan sya at un ang ayaw ni izzy sa anak nya
Kaya nga humiwalay na sya sa nanay nya and sabi nya matagal na nya sinusuportahan sarili nya. Kaya nga lumayo na sya, whats the point na magsama sila kung di sya tanggap
sabihin mo yan kay izzy since siya yung matabil yung bibig, hindi naman siya ininterview in fact pasalamat siya dinefend siya and nagsinungaling yung bata for her.
1:23, I think naunang sinabi ni Andre sa interview na tanggap daw ng nanay niya na nagmu-mujer siya. In response, nag-post si Izzy sa FB. Naiintindihan ko damdamin ni Izzy dahil may anak akong lalaki. Mahihirapan akong tanggapin kung maging bakla ang anak ko dahil sa religious belief ko. Hindi tanggap ang lifestyle does not mean hindi mahal. Hindi tanggap ang lifestyle does not mean homophobic. People use the word homophobic loosely. Homophobia is treating or viewing someone badly because of the other person's gender identity. No, I am not homophobic because I have a lot of gay friends, and I love them with all my heart. I have dinner or lunch with them including their partners. I just won't promote or affirm my friends' homosexuality, like going to a gay wedding. We don't bring up politics and religion in our conversation, and we mutually respect each other's opinions.
11:32 you just don’t respect your friends period hahaha. their homosexuality is literally who they are, and you not “affirming or promoting” their homosexuality is your non-acceptance of who your friends are.
11:32 hindi selective ang pagiging hindi homophobic. para ka ring mga puti dito sa amerika na ang depensa hindi sila racist kasi meron silang kaibigan na black, all the while nangdidiscriminate naman sa ibang black na hindi nila kaibigan. hindi nabebend ang pagiging homophobic based on your convenience baks. it's either you're discriminatory or you're not. and based on what you just said, we could tell which one you are.
11:32 here. I believe and support equality in human rights, pay, taxation, and responsibility regardless of anyone's skin color, gender,gender identity, disability...as long as they are human. So please don't twist my words. Not agreeing with someone's lifestyle, religious beliefs and political stance does not mean hating, so please broaden your understanding. Stop forcing your beliefs on others and calling them haters when they disagree with you because that is very childish, entitled and being a snowflake.
Tama parin si Ogie, kasi bakit dati tanggap niya tapos ngayon naging mas malapit kuno sa Dyos biglang hindi na tanggap. Iba yung dati pa hindi tanggap sa biglang nagbago ang tingin sa anak
minsan hindi lang tungkol sa magulang at anak ang usapan. tungkol din sa discrimination, bigotry at oppression as human beings. kahit nanay ka pa. kahit anak ka pa. Mamuhay ka ng bukas ang mata, isip at puso.
ang pagiging mabuting tao does not depend on gender preference. Dito mali si Ogie. He is equating straightness to toxic masculinity or being corrupt or being an addict. Just like you want others to respect your belief in having more than 2 genders, respect their beliefs as well. Maganda naman pagkakasabi ni Izzy na mahal pa din niya anak niya, she is just not gonna promote his homosexuality. Si ogie ang nag assume na papalit palit si Izzy ng stance. And if he is referring to Izzy's old acceptance of homosexuality, my two cents is, anyone deserve to re-evaluate their opinions. Maybe as her personal relationship with God went deeper, she realized yung mga mali sa mga paniniwala niya dati. Christians are all work in progress, we are not blameless,l.
Born again Christian ako and ang paulit ulit na sabi samin, si Jesus ang pakinggan at ipriprioritize wag ang religion. Religion won't save you, Jesus will.
Also, sabi sa bible, babae at lalaki ang nilikha ng Panginoon. Pero kahit ano pa man sila, always choose to love them.
Buti pa sa inyo may ganyan, may kakilala ako mga Born Again na homophobic lahat sila sa simbahan nila. Ang babae daw para lang sa lalaki and vice versa. Ang pinsan ko Born Again pero hindi siya practicing Christian kasi napakahomophobic daw sa simbahan nila. Ayaw daw niya maging ganon ang mga anak niya
My friend is also a Born Again Christian and pastor pa ang tatay niya. And ito din ang kanilang belief at paulit2 na sinasabi. :) Andun lagi ang COMPASSION nila for everyone. :)
Gusto nyo ng fair and equality pero di nyo tanggapin ang choice ng nanay na di pa sya ready to accept sa pagiging drag ng anak nya. Yan tayo eh gusto lage tanggapin ano gusto nyo tas ayaw nyo galangi desisyon ng tao.
tahimik naman kasi yung lahat kung hindi dahil sa nanay so sinong may kasalanan? jusko may cause and effect lahat ng bagay, kung nag silent night siya sa tabe at kinausap yung anak niya may pag uusapan ba tayo dito? waley!
@12:56 Am, bakit ba parang feeling nyo dapat subjected sa acceptance nyo ang mga LGBT? Kung Christian ka, parang tinalo nyo pa si Jesus sa mindset na ganyan. Parepareho lang tayong tao. Di dapat nakaasa sa approval nyo ang pagkatao at buhay namin! Alisin nyo sa utak nyo yan, di bagay sa inyo.
@1:26 siguro the reason bakit nagsalita si Izzy even without interview kasi pinagkakalat ni Andrei na tanggap sya ng Nanay when the fact is hindi naman talaga sya tanggap. And syempre maraming nagtatanong ngayon kay Izzy, “di ba Born Again Christian ka?” So nag-open letter sya.
Which siguro mali din ung sinasabi ni Ogie na bawi-bawi kasi hindi naman talaga nya tanggap in the first place.
@12:56 hindi naman po sinasabi ng mga Born Again Christians na kailangan ng LGBTQ ng approval nila. Pero nag-iinsist ang LGBTQ ng acceptance para sa isang bagay na against their belief. Pede naman nyo pong ipractice ung rights nyo, pero wag nyong iinsist na iaccept kayo. And this will be a never ending debate kasi it will always be your belief against their belief. What you can insist is respect as a human being but not acceptance. If one Born Again Christian disrespected you because you are an LGBTQ then that person is not really a Born Again Christian.
Hello, si Pura Luka part 2. Kayo lang ang may karapatan intindihin pero hindi nila kayang intindihin ang iba na taliwas sa kanila ang paninindigan. Tell me you're entitled without saying you're entitled.
Izzy is probably as confused as her son and nahihirapan intindihin kung bakit naging drag queen anak nya. Once she understands, she can work towards acceptance. It seems wala pa sya sa understanding and publicly shaming her in social media will not lead to understanding.
12:58 may offensive bang ginawa si Andrei? Si Andrei seeking for his mom's acceptance habang si Pura papansin lang. Sabi nga nila gawin ni Pura Vega sa religion ng Muslim para makita natin ang tapang niya at panindigan ang art. May taong na offend the least he can do is apologize pero matigas ang ulo. Sobra magkaiba sila ng sitwasyon
Wow 12:58 AM, isali ba si Pura sa lahat ng LGBT issues? Lahat ba ng straight dinadamay namin pag may nabalitang straight na lalaking rapist o mga akyat bahay at holdaper sa balita? Iba issues ni Pura, at madaming members ng LGBT ang kinondena sya kaya uncalled for yang kuda mo.
1:28 AM - the sense of entitlement is the same. Andrei has to understand that his mother needs to go through her own journey of acceptance just like he did. His realization of self wasn't instant, journey din un for him. Why can't he believe his mother is having just as difficult a time or maybe is having a harder time coming to terms with their situation. So no, hindi offensive si Andrei but the sense of entitlement to acceptance and understanding pareho sila ni Luka. Si Andrei/ Luka lang ang dapat intindihan. If Izzy can't understand and accept Andrei right now, then she must be a hypocrite. Izzy doesn't deserve to be understood like him. Ganern ang logic ng mga gaya ni Andrei and Luka.
3:03 I read the letter of Andrei. Wala naman syang pamimilit to be accepted right away. He left because he felt it wasn’t healthy na para sa kanya. And he hopes na maintindihan sya someday. Where is the entitlement there? He even tried to protect his mom’s image pero nagsimula ang lahat sa open letter ng nanay nya na wala namang nagtatanong. Sana tinry nyang wag mag open letter at hindi ishame ang anak!
Ayy.. gusto ko to. This is so true. This is what's wrong with the LGBTQ++... They want people to just accept, understand and respect them pero kapag you're opposed to them, hindi nila iaaccept, understand at irerespect ang opinyon mo or your views kung bakit ayaw mo sa ganoong lifestyle. Hindi dapat ganun. You do you. Wag iforce ang paniniwala niyo sa mga ayaw itong tanggapin.
Baka kasi ang di pa lang matanggap ni Izzy ay yung pagiging drag queen ng anak pero hindi naman yung buong kabaklaan nya. Kasi alam ni Izzy na malupit ang mundo at ayaw nya lang din na makitang nasasaktan ng ibang tao yung anak nya sa mapanghusga nilang mga isip.
1:13 kung alam nyang malupit ang mundo, bakit pati sya nakikisaling pagmalupitan ang anak nya? natatakot syang di tanggapin ang anak nya ng lipunan kaya nauna na sya sa pila ng di makatanggap sa anak nya? your argument does not hold water.
Wow Ogie, mas marunong ka pa sa magulang. Ako siguro mahihirapan ako tanggapin ang sitwasyon ng anak ko pero hindi ibig sabihin ay hindi ko sya mahal at hindi rin ibig sabihin na masama akong magulang. These things take time. As a parent, you want the best for your kids and you raise them according to your values. Mahirap for a parent to see their child living a life that you did not intend for them. Hayaan mo si Izzy. Intindihin mo sarili mong mga anak.
I am with you. Not every parent can think or feel the same way that Izzy does. It does takes time. We love our kids and we will be there for them every step of the way. Having to admit what you want to be, it's not that simple for parents to accept it but, it doesn't mean we don't love our children. There will be ups and downs between mother and son or mother and daughter relationship. For Ogie, just stop.
But Izzy made their issues public and she subjected Andrei and herself to public opinion. What she did opened the doors to critisism not just to herself but to Andrei as well. Im sure mahirap na yung situation nilang mag ina pero mas lalo nyang pinacomplicate dahil sa post nya. Si Ogie trabaho nyang magcomment sa mga showbiz issues lalo na LGBT si Andrei.
True. Parang sino siya para pangunahan yung narraamdaman ng Nanay. Alam na ni Izzy na gay yung anak niya, ramdam na niya yan. Tanggap niya yan. Ang tingin kong hindi niya tanggap yung activities ng bata.
Tama. Gaya ng isang commenter, people are using the word homophobic loosely. Of course lahat naman yan proseso... mas alam nila at kilala nila ang isa't isa.
Agree with you.I think tanggap nya naman pagiging gay ni Andrei.Yung pagiging drag queen lang ang hinsi nya pa masuportahan.Ayaw nyang mapagtawanan,mabash or masaktan anak nya malupit ang mundo lalo sa social media.Nanay yan wag mo pangunahan Ogie.I'm sure masakit din para sa kanya yun mga sinsabi nya.
Wow, porket di niya matanggap di niya na deserve? Inalagaan niya at minahal anak niya, but yung anak choose something na di pa kaya tanggapin ng nanay, wala na ba karapatan ang nanay nanhumindisa gusto ng anak? Kung ang anak ko pala mag p0rn *, sige lang kasi dapat support? Ganon ba?
yes. if your child does porn, buhay nya yan, he or she can do whatever they want with it. kung gusto mo kontrolin buhay ng anak mo, sana bumili ka na lang ng manika.
11:50 - I suppose you are not a parent yet hence your response. Its a parent's duty to guide their children, not control, most specially in their formative years. If I let my child do what ever he/she wants to do just like what you said, "buhay nya yan", what kind of a parent does that? If they are adults and watch porn, that would have been reasonable. But if I see my minor child watching porn, do I consent on that? H3ll no! Even TV shows and movies have parental guidance warning for a reason.
let me clarify my response when I say child. I do not mean a literal one. It is the parents' responsibility to raise their child with values and equip them to prepare for the harshness of the world, but I would never publicly speak about how difficult I find it to accept my child, who in this case will be an adult na, regarding his or her choices in life. if he/she happens to eventually end up doing drag and like the lifestyle, will I be sad, not really lmao because what is wrong with an art form but I will not take it out on the child and perhaps educate myself with drag culture.
Akin lang naman, respeto lang dapat sa isa’t isa. You don’t force both parties to accept yung choice/preferences nila pero respeto pa din. If they think na toxic sila sa isa’t isa, then it’s okay to remove yourself sa toxic environment/people kahit pa family mo yan.
Makikisawsaw lang si Ogie. Di nagbawi si Izzy ng suporta kasi wala naman syang sinabing ganun before. Inamin ni Andrei na nagsinungaling sya na suportado sya ng ina para pag takpan at di ma bash si Izzy.
LOL. Go Ogie! She needs a reality check that it’s not just about her “being ready”… this isn’t about her. Throughout the years, alam niya namang anak niya ay gay. Does she expect him to always dress up like a guy even when knowing na bakla siya? LOL. Pag tanggap mo, tanggapin mo buong-buo. Not only “bits and pieces” of your son.
You all would not know how it is to be a child na hindi tanggap ng magulang kung ano ka. To live in the closet is one of the worst things. to hide what you truly are is so challenging, a burden that hurts so much. That is the life I live kasi hindi ako tanggap ng magulang ko. At ayaw ko sila masaktan. Kahit umamin na ako noon, pinilit ko pumasok ulit sa kloseta kasi ayaw nila ako tanggapin. Masakit. Mabigat. And you live your life going through motions while you see everyone na capable na capable magmahal. Hindi namin kasalanan na ganito kami. As in as early as 5 years old ganito na ako. They speak of Jesus Christ and His kindness pero all I see is self righteousness.
I applaud Drei for his courage. Sana ganun din ako. Yung mga magulang diyan, napakadali ninyo sabihin na gusto ninyo lang ang best para saamin. Pero really you are tearing us apart inside. It is dehumanizing, ang feeling na hindi ka tanggap ng sarili mong ina. Be kinder to your children. Understand that homosexuality is not something we choose but who we are. Same thing as your heterosexuality. If you love your children let them live and be who they really are. Do not push us back into the closet. Do you like hurting and breaking your children? Because that is what you are doing.
Be kind to your parents as well. You don't know how hard it is to raise a child in a world where everyone has an opinion as to how you are doing as a parent. Kung hahayaan mo ang anak mo to do whatever he wants, mali ka. Pag sinaway mo, mali ka pa din.
And for everyone who thinks Christianity is all love love love, you forget that the God we serve is also JUST. Sin is sin. Walang grey areas.
In this context, Izzy LOVES her son but is not okay with him being a drag queen kasi nga, it goes against what the Bible teaches. Minaltrato nya ba anak nya for Ogie to call her out like this?
4:55 I am baffled by your audacity to be preachy and self-righteous in the face of someone's suffering. Hell is not a place indeed. Hell is other people.
Come out of the shadows 2:45. You don't need anybody's permission to be who you are.
4:55 walang compassion whatsoever sagot mo kay 2:45 sinarili mo na lang sana. it's not what the child wants to do that's in question here. it's what he is. and yung argument na pinipilit nyo na okay si izzy na bakla anak nya huwag lang magdrag, that's not unconditional love. if anything selfish ang nanay dahil she has conditions para matanggap nya ang anak na di naman nagpumilit ipanganak kundi ginusto nyang ipanganak.
I think accepted nya na gay ang anak nya to a point pero being a drag queen is a whole new level for her with such strong Christian faith. Ayaw nya sigurong makitang nagkakalat yung anak nya in public by being a drag queen
Ang bilis natin i-attack yung isang tao dahil iba yung paniniwala nila sa atin. As a mother, I don't see anything wrong with Izzy's sentiments and values. Yung pagtanggap sa mga desisyon ng anak, matatanggap natin pero siyempre gradually yan hindi biglaan. But their actions, that's a another story.
May kaibigan akong bading. Napaka-relihiyosa din ng mama niya pero tanggap naman siya. Pakiusap lang ng nanay niya na na huwag siyang gagawa ng bagay na magiging katatawanan siya. In short, disente at respetadong bakla.
Bilang nanay, naintindihan ko si Izzy. Lalo na sa mga bakla, grabe yung discrimination at judgment sa kanila. Kung masakit sa anak, doble yung sakit sa mga magulang kasi hindi nila alam kung gaano yung sakit na nararamdaman ng anak nila.
pero di ba mas masarap sa pakiramdam ng anak na suportado sya ng nanay nya kahit bakla sya? alam ng bata na mahal at tanggap sya ng nanay nya kahit sa labas ng bahay judgmental karamihan? so kung ina ka, mas uunahin mo ang sasabihin ng tao kesa sa emotional/mental state ng anak mo? anong klase kang ina?
11:36 saang banda sinabi dyan sa original comment na mas importante yung sasabihin ng iba? Ang linaw naman, DOBLE YUNG SAKIT NA MARARAMDAMAN NG NANAY KUNG GINAGAWANG KATATAWANAN ANG ANAK. Ang hina naman ng comprehension mo!
This is what filipinos get wrong about parenting in general. They are so caught up on their own BS that they end up teaching their kids that love is conditional. Instead believing that it's ok not to be liked because they are loved by someone every single day no matter what, they end up internalizing that they will not be loved unless they please everybody, and that involves hiding their true selves and giving in to what everybody else's wants from them and expects from them--even at their own detriment.
Natawa ako dun sa doble ang sakit sa magulang kesa sa anak kaya they would rather suppress them 🤣 these parents really are ignorant and it is terrifying na may mga anak na pinapalaki ang mga tao dito
7:18 kayo ni izzy ang nagvvirtue signal. pwedeng bakla pero hindi pwedeng drag. set your limits to yourselves, hindi yung pati pagkatao at kaligayahan ng iba e kailangan nyo ituro.
8:29 The Bible was written and compiled by many people, whom many scholars say are mostly unknown, from a variety of disparate cultures and backgrounds. (Wikipedia)
It's her child so she can decide how she wants to raise her kid :) :) :) Nag ambag ka ba ng pang gatas or ng pang tuition fee doon sa bata? :D :D :D Daming uzi at paki ha ha :D :D :D
Mas masakit s anak, panu sya tatanggapin ng society kung sarili niyang ina di sya tanggap. Being righteous doesn’t mean you will deprived your son his free will and acceptance.
Siguro wag natin ijudge yung ibang tao sa gusto nila at paniniwala nila. Igalang at tanggapin parin natin sila. Sa huli wala naman silang dapat na ipaliwanag satin kay God lang Nasa kanila na yun between God at sa sarili nila. Respeto parin para sa ikakatahimik ng lahat!
This is a perfect example na hindi talaga up to par ang high school at college education ng mga pinoy kumpara sa mauunlad na bansa. Yung mga argument na nireraise ng iba dito could've been answered sa isang psych 101 class.
As an austism mom, I'd gladly accept if my son grows up to be a drag queen. Izzy, you are so lucky. I'm at the point na kahit ano pa sya, I will accept as long as he can grow up independent. Some parents don't realize how lucky they are
How mean are you to say na you are not lucky to have your child despite of his/her disabilities… sabi mo nga some parents don’t know how lucky they are… isa ka dun
I remember yung backlash sa anak ni Ogie na si Erin for showing too much skin and all, and sobra sarcasm ni Ogie saying eh ano magagawa ko kung sexy anak ko at alam mong nabwisit sya sa pakikialam ng tao sa parenting style nila. Now , sya naman nakikialam sa ibang magulang how they should and should not do sa mga anak nila. Double standard lang Teh?
No my point is ayaw nya pakialaman sya ng tao sa parenting style nya. Pero why would he impose the same sa ibang magulang? Bakit makikialam sya kung ayaw din naman nya pakialaman sya?
Sa ibang bansa, may mga straight males na drag queens. Ginagawa lang nila yun bilang performance para kumita. It's a job. Kumbaga para Kang nag Cosplay but paid. Pagkalabas ng room nakabihis lalaki na ulit.
So ang point ko ay not all drag queens are gay. Research din kayo. Pamilyado pa nga ag ibang drag queens eh.
Hirap din talaga ng structured religion. Mas gusto ko pa yung may faith and makatao kesa sa maka religion.
ReplyDeleteKaya nga di ba't Galit Ang sanlibutan sa nagsasabi ng totoo..
DeletePipili Kase sila kung sino ung gusto NILA i-please.kung anung gusto NILA maging..kung makatao o Maka Dios..
DeleteNakalagay na yun sa bible na i ko condemn ang mga christian
Delete"Christians"
ReplyDeleteExcusme? Wag nyo igeneralize.
Delete8:42 nope. Ganyan talaga Christians. Lalahatin ko na din.
DeleteTrue. They are the righteous of them all. Nahiya ang pope, saints, and martyrs sa kanila.
Delete1:15 am, ang sad mo naman. May mga friends akong Christians pero di sila ganyan. Open minded mga friends kong Christians.
DeleteSabi ng Santo Papa, we are here to understand. Si God ang magja-judge sa ating lahat. That in itself is a big shift for Catholics at talagang clap clap clap ako nung narinig ko yan.
Deleteim on izzy’s side, tanggap naman pagkabakla pero to the point na bnabastos mo na sarili mo, napanuod nyo ba sayaw nya ng sexbomb sa isang bar? may mga taong pagtatawanan sya at un ang ayaw ni izzy sa anak nya
ReplyDeleteay talaga ba
DeleteThey're laughing with her not at her
DeleteIba naman yung Pinag tatawanan , degrading na pinagtatawanan
DeleteBaka they're cheering for the performance
Iba Ang audience ng Lugar na yan
Pinagtatawan is degrading in any form.... meanwhile, nakakatawa or nakakatuwa yung hindi degrading.
DeleteWeird lang dahil against siya sa pagiging drag queen ng anak niya pero sexy dancer siya noon.
DeleteSo, degreading ba ang pagiging Sexbomb dancer nya dati? Nagtatawanan din ang audience noon.
Deletegusto ko tong pagka-sawsaw ni ogie :)) on point!!! sobrang tawa ko sa laban laban bawi bawi hahahahaha
ReplyDeleteWalang pagbawi kay Izzy kc mismo sinabi ng anak nagsinungaling sya sa interview before na tanggap sya ng mother nya.
DeleteWag ipilit ang acceptance kung hindi ready. Give them time to think things through at wag minamadali.
ReplyDeleteUp dito.
DeleteKaya nga humiwalay na sya sa nanay nya and sabi nya matagal na nya sinusuportahan sarili nya. Kaya nga lumayo na sya, whats the point na magsama sila kung di sya tanggap
Deletesabihin mo yan kay izzy since siya yung matabil yung bibig, hindi naman siya ininterview in fact pasalamat siya dinefend siya and nagsinungaling yung bata for her.
Delete...at the exoense of her child...naapektuhan na yung anak nya mentally
Delete1:23, I think naunang sinabi ni Andre sa interview na tanggap daw ng nanay niya na nagmu-mujer siya. In response, nag-post si Izzy sa FB. Naiintindihan ko damdamin ni Izzy dahil may anak akong lalaki. Mahihirapan akong tanggapin kung maging bakla ang anak ko dahil sa religious belief ko. Hindi tanggap ang lifestyle does not mean hindi mahal. Hindi tanggap ang lifestyle does not mean homophobic. People use the word homophobic loosely. Homophobia is treating or viewing someone badly because of the other person's gender identity. No, I am not homophobic because I have a lot of gay friends, and I love them with all my heart. I have dinner or lunch with them including their partners. I just won't promote or affirm my friends' homosexuality, like going to a gay wedding. We don't bring up politics and religion in our conversation, and we mutually respect each other's opinions.
DeleteI agree with 11:32
DeleteBest explanation 11:32
Delete11:32 so you just don’t support your friends’ rights lol. so in short, hindi ka tunay na kaibigan.
Delete11:32 you just don’t respect your friends period hahaha. their homosexuality is literally who they are, and you not “affirming or promoting” their homosexuality is your non-acceptance of who your friends are.
Delete11:32 hindi selective ang pagiging hindi homophobic. para ka ring mga puti dito sa amerika na ang depensa hindi sila racist kasi meron silang kaibigan na black, all the while
Deletenangdidiscriminate naman sa ibang black na hindi nila kaibigan. hindi nabebend ang pagiging homophobic based on your convenience baks. it's either you're discriminatory or you're not. and based on what you just said, we could tell which one you are.
11:32 here. I believe and support equality in human rights, pay, taxation, and responsibility regardless of anyone's skin color, gender,gender identity, disability...as long as they are human. So please don't twist my words. Not agreeing with someone's lifestyle, religious beliefs and political stance does not mean hating, so please broaden your understanding. Stop forcing your beliefs on others and calling them haters when they disagree with you because that is very childish, entitled and being a snowflake.
DeleteMali naman ata yung i-call out mo yung isang magulang dahil iba yung values at beliefs niya sayo.
ReplyDeleteTama parin si Ogie, kasi bakit dati tanggap niya tapos ngayon naging mas malapit kuno sa Dyos biglang hindi na tanggap. Iba yung dati pa hindi tanggap sa biglang nagbago ang tingin sa anak
DeleteKahiy delusional ang beliefs? Lol
Deletemali ding mang call out ng anak sa social media just because pinursue niya yung gusto niyang gawin kasi buhay niya yun at hindi ng nanay niya.
Deleteminsan hindi lang tungkol sa magulang at anak ang usapan. tungkol din sa discrimination, bigotry at oppression as human beings. kahit nanay ka pa. kahit anak ka pa. Mamuhay ka ng bukas ang mata, isip at puso.
Delete12:50 Kasi mas tinanggap niya ang Diyos over sa kagustuhan ng anak.
Delete6:28 e di ba gusto ng Diyos na magmahalan at huwag manghusga?
DeleteI support Izzy.. She wants the best for her son..
ReplyDeleteBest? You're delusional like her.
Deleteso being straight is the best???
DeleteNgeks! Choose a straight and pabigat sa lipunan o ung bakla na mabuting tao?
Delete12:40 Do you think she really knows whats best for her son?
Delete2:46, anong logic yan? Kapag naging straight yung anak ni Izzy magiging pabigat sa lipunan?
Deleteang pagiging mabuting tao does not depend on gender preference. Dito mali si Ogie. He is equating straightness to toxic masculinity or being corrupt or being an addict. Just like you want others to respect your belief in having more than 2 genders, respect their beliefs as well. Maganda naman pagkakasabi ni Izzy na mahal pa din niya anak niya, she is just not gonna promote his homosexuality. Si ogie ang nag assume na papalit palit si Izzy ng stance. And if he is referring to Izzy's old acceptance of homosexuality, my two cents is, anyone deserve to re-evaluate their opinions. Maybe as her personal relationship with God went deeper, she realized yung mga mali sa mga paniniwala niya dati. Christians are all work in progress, we are not blameless,l.
DeleteBorn again Christian ako and ang paulit ulit na sabi samin, si Jesus ang pakinggan at ipriprioritize wag ang religion. Religion won't save you, Jesus will.
ReplyDeleteAlso, sabi sa bible, babae at lalaki ang nilikha ng Panginoon. Pero kahit ano pa man sila, always choose to love them.
Buti pa sa inyo may ganyan, may kakilala ako mga Born Again na homophobic lahat sila sa simbahan nila. Ang babae daw para lang sa lalaki and vice versa. Ang pinsan ko Born Again pero hindi siya practicing Christian kasi napakahomophobic daw sa simbahan nila. Ayaw daw niya maging ganon ang mga anak niya
DeleteMy friend is also a Born Again Christian and pastor pa ang tatay niya. And ito din ang kanilang belief at paulit2 na sinasabi. :) Andun lagi ang COMPASSION nila for everyone. :)
DeleteGusto nyo ng fair and equality pero di nyo tanggapin ang choice ng nanay na di pa sya ready to accept sa pagiging drag ng anak nya. Yan tayo eh gusto lage tanggapin ano gusto nyo tas ayaw nyo galangi desisyon ng tao.
ReplyDeletetahimik naman kasi yung lahat kung hindi dahil sa nanay so sinong may kasalanan? jusko may cause and effect lahat ng bagay, kung nag silent night siya sa tabe at kinausap yung anak niya may pag uusapan ba tayo dito? waley!
Delete@12:56 Am, bakit ba parang feeling nyo dapat subjected sa acceptance nyo ang mga LGBT? Kung Christian ka, parang tinalo nyo pa si Jesus sa mindset na ganyan. Parepareho lang tayong tao. Di dapat nakaasa sa approval nyo ang pagkatao at buhay namin! Alisin nyo sa utak nyo yan, di bagay sa inyo.
Delete@1:26 siguro the reason bakit nagsalita si Izzy even without interview kasi pinagkakalat ni Andrei na tanggap sya ng Nanay when the fact is hindi naman talaga sya tanggap. And syempre maraming nagtatanong ngayon kay Izzy, “di ba Born Again Christian ka?” So nag-open letter sya.
DeleteWhich siguro mali din ung sinasabi ni Ogie na bawi-bawi kasi hindi naman talaga nya tanggap in the first place.
@12:56 hindi naman po sinasabi ng mga Born Again Christians na kailangan ng LGBTQ ng approval nila. Pero nag-iinsist ang LGBTQ ng acceptance para sa isang bagay na against their belief. Pede naman nyo pong ipractice ung rights nyo, pero wag nyong iinsist na iaccept kayo. And this will be a never ending debate kasi it will always be your belief against their belief. What you can insist is respect as a human being but not acceptance. If one Born Again Christian disrespected you because you are an LGBTQ then that person is not really a Born Again Christian.
At 1:26 namention ata nung anak sa isang interview na tanggap ng nanay niya yung pagsali niya sa drag show
DeleteHello, si Pura Luka part 2. Kayo lang ang may karapatan intindihin pero hindi nila kayang intindihin ang iba na taliwas sa kanila ang paninindigan. Tell me you're entitled without saying you're entitled.
ReplyDeleteIzzy is probably as confused as her son and nahihirapan intindihin kung bakit naging drag queen anak nya. Once she understands, she can work towards acceptance. It seems wala pa sya sa understanding and publicly shaming her in social media will not lead to understanding.
12:58 may offensive bang ginawa si Andrei? Si Andrei seeking for his mom's acceptance habang si Pura papansin lang. Sabi nga nila gawin ni Pura Vega sa religion ng Muslim para makita natin ang tapang niya at panindigan ang art. May taong na offend the least he can do is apologize pero matigas ang ulo. Sobra magkaiba sila ng sitwasyon
DeleteWow 12:58 AM, isali ba si Pura sa lahat ng LGBT issues? Lahat ba ng straight dinadamay namin pag may nabalitang straight na lalaking rapist o mga akyat bahay at holdaper sa balita? Iba issues ni Pura, at madaming members ng LGBT ang kinondena sya kaya uncalled for yang kuda mo.
Delete1:28 AM - the sense of entitlement is the same. Andrei has to understand that his mother needs to go through her own journey of acceptance just like he did. His realization of self wasn't instant, journey din un for him. Why can't he believe his mother is having just as difficult a time or maybe is having a harder time coming to terms with their situation. So no, hindi offensive si Andrei but the sense of entitlement to acceptance and understanding pareho sila ni Luka. Si Andrei/ Luka lang ang dapat intindihan. If Izzy can't understand and accept Andrei right now, then she must be a hypocrite. Izzy doesn't deserve to be understood like him. Ganern ang logic ng mga gaya ni Andrei and Luka.
Delete3:03 I read the letter of Andrei. Wala naman syang pamimilit to be accepted right away. He left because he felt it wasn’t healthy na para sa kanya. And he hopes na maintindihan sya someday. Where is the entitlement there? He even tried to protect his mom’s image pero nagsimula ang lahat sa open letter ng nanay nya na wala namang nagtatanong. Sana tinry nyang wag mag open letter at hindi ishame ang anak!
DeleteAyy.. gusto ko to. This is so true. This is what's wrong with the LGBTQ++... They want people to just accept, understand and respect them pero kapag you're opposed to them, hindi nila iaaccept, understand at irerespect ang opinyon mo or your views kung bakit ayaw mo sa ganoong lifestyle. Hindi dapat ganun. You do you. Wag iforce ang paniniwala niyo sa mga ayaw itong tanggapin.
DeleteBaka kasi ang di pa lang matanggap ni Izzy ay yung pagiging drag queen ng anak pero hindi naman yung buong kabaklaan nya. Kasi alam ni Izzy na malupit ang mundo at ayaw nya lang din na makitang nasasaktan ng ibang tao yung anak nya sa mapanghusga nilang mga isip.
ReplyDelete1:13 kung alam nyang malupit ang mundo, bakit pati sya nakikisaling pagmalupitan ang anak nya? natatakot syang di tanggapin ang anak nya ng lipunan kaya nauna na sya sa pila ng di makatanggap sa anak nya? your argument does not hold water.
DeleteWow Ogie, mas marunong ka pa sa magulang. Ako siguro mahihirapan ako tanggapin ang sitwasyon ng anak ko pero hindi ibig sabihin ay hindi ko sya mahal at hindi rin ibig sabihin na masama akong magulang. These things take time. As a parent, you want the best for your kids and you raise them according to your values. Mahirap for a parent to see their child living a life that you did not intend for them. Hayaan mo si Izzy. Intindihin mo sarili mong mga anak.
ReplyDeleteI am with you. Not every parent can think or feel the same way that Izzy does. It does takes time. We love our kids and we will be there for them every step of the way. Having to admit what you want to be, it's not that simple for parents to accept it but, it doesn't mean we don't love our children. There will be ups and downs between mother and son or mother and daughter relationship. For Ogie, just stop.
DeleteBut Izzy made their issues public and she subjected Andrei and herself to public opinion. What she did opened the doors to critisism not just to herself but to Andrei as well. Im sure mahirap na yung situation nilang mag ina pero mas lalo nyang pinacomplicate dahil sa post nya. Si Ogie trabaho nyang magcomment sa mga showbiz issues lalo na LGBT si Andrei.
DeleteSame sentiment here
DeleteTrue. Parang sino siya para pangunahan yung narraamdaman ng Nanay. Alam na ni Izzy na gay yung anak niya, ramdam na niya yan. Tanggap niya yan. Ang tingin kong hindi niya tanggap yung activities ng bata.
DeleteTama. Gaya ng isang commenter, people are using the word homophobic loosely. Of course lahat naman yan proseso... mas alam nila at kilala nila ang isa't isa.
DeleteAgree with you.I think tanggap nya naman pagiging gay ni Andrei.Yung pagiging drag queen lang ang hinsi nya pa masuportahan.Ayaw nyang mapagtawanan,mabash or masaktan anak nya malupit ang mundo lalo sa social media.Nanay yan wag mo pangunahan Ogie.I'm sure masakit din para sa kanya yun mga sinsabi nya.
Deletenot all parents talaga are supposed to have kids.
ReplyDeleteWow, porket di niya matanggap di niya na deserve? Inalagaan niya at minahal anak niya, but yung anak choose something na di pa kaya tanggapin ng nanay, wala na ba karapatan ang nanay nanhumindisa gusto ng anak? Kung ang anak ko pala mag p0rn *, sige lang kasi dapat support? Ganon ba?
DeleteNot all kids talaga should have conceived ingrata kids.
Deleteyes. if your child does porn, buhay nya yan, he or she can do whatever they want with it. kung gusto mo kontrolin buhay ng anak mo, sana bumili ka na lang ng manika.
Delete11:50 - I suppose you are not a parent yet hence your response. Its a parent's duty to guide their children, not control, most specially in their formative years. If I let my child do what ever he/she wants to do just like what you said, "buhay nya yan", what kind of a parent does that? If they are adults and watch porn, that would have been reasonable. But if I see my minor child watching porn, do I consent on that? H3ll no! Even TV shows and movies have parental guidance warning for a reason.
Deleteang hindi ko gets anong mali sa pagiging drag queen? form of art naman yan pero pag mga babaeng naka bra't panty sa stage ok lang. hmmm
Deletelet me clarify my response when I say child. I do not mean a literal one. It is the parents' responsibility to raise their child with values and equip them to prepare for the harshness of the world, but I would never publicly speak about how difficult I find it to accept my child, who in this case will be an adult na, regarding his or her choices in life. if he/she happens to eventually end up doing drag and like the lifestyle, will I be sad, not really lmao because what is wrong with an art form but I will not take it out on the child and perhaps educate myself with drag culture.
Delete11:37 so you're saying izzy is guiding her son not controlling him? please!
DeleteWag masyado harsh sa nanay let's give her time
ReplyDeleteAkin lang naman, respeto lang dapat sa isa’t isa. You don’t force both parties to accept yung choice/preferences nila pero respeto pa din. If they think na toxic sila sa isa’t isa, then it’s okay to remove yourself sa toxic environment/people kahit pa family mo yan.
ReplyDeleteFilipino parents never respect their kids. It only changes when they get old and they need someone to take care of them.
DeleteMakikisawsaw lang si Ogie. Di nagbawi si Izzy ng suporta kasi wala naman syang sinabing ganun before. Inamin ni Andrei na nagsinungaling sya na suportado sya ng ina para pag takpan at di ma bash si Izzy.
ReplyDeleteYou will never understand Izzy kung hindi ka Christian. Read the bible para magets niyo sya
ReplyDeleteyes. yun nagaaaffirm sa kanya totoo bang mahal nila siya? pag mahal mo tinatama mo.
Deletemajority ng mga ganitong loud and proud sa pagiging maka diyos, mahilig magbasa ng bible plastic, tsismosa and may attitude problem. lol
Delete10:50 nakakapagod kayong mga bible thumpers. Hindi kayo tama.
Delete2:19 i read the bible, sabi naman magmahalan at wag manghusga. parang iba naman ginagawa ni izzy kesa sa bible.
Delete10:50 binasa mo? basahin mo muna saka mo sabihin hindi kami tama. Truth hurts and TRUTH will set you free
Delete2:19 parang di naman nya hinuhusgahan girl? di lang nya fully supported sa pagiging drag queen. Magkaiba ata yon
DeleteAre we all on the same page.?
ReplyDeleteIzzy accepts her son being gay.
But for him to become a DRAG QUEEN, Eh ayaw nya.
Yes, I think the same Baks. Hindi ka nag iisa.
DeleteYes correct.
Deleteanong mali sa drag queen?
DeleteGanun na nga. Wag sana nagkakalat at nagiging subject of ridicule
DeleteLOL. Go Ogie! She needs a reality check that it’s not just about her “being ready”… this isn’t about her. Throughout the years, alam niya namang anak niya ay gay. Does she expect him to always dress up like a guy even when knowing na bakla siya? LOL. Pag tanggap mo, tanggapin mo buong-buo. Not only “bits and pieces” of your son.
ReplyDeleteBakit lahat ba ng bakla nagsu-suot ng pambabae or pang drag? Utak!
DeleteYou all would not know how it is to be a child na hindi tanggap ng magulang kung ano ka. To live in the closet is one of the worst things. to hide what you truly are is so challenging, a burden that hurts so much. That is the life I live kasi hindi ako tanggap ng magulang ko. At ayaw ko sila masaktan. Kahit umamin na ako noon, pinilit ko pumasok ulit sa kloseta kasi ayaw nila ako tanggapin. Masakit. Mabigat. And you live your life going through motions while you see everyone na capable na capable magmahal. Hindi namin kasalanan na ganito kami. As in as early as 5 years old ganito na ako. They speak of Jesus Christ and His kindness pero all I see is self righteousness.
ReplyDeleteI applaud Drei for his courage. Sana ganun din ako. Yung mga magulang diyan, napakadali ninyo sabihin na gusto ninyo lang ang best para saamin. Pero really you are tearing us apart inside. It is dehumanizing, ang feeling na hindi ka tanggap ng sarili mong ina.
Be kinder to your children. Understand that homosexuality is not something we choose but who we are. Same thing as your heterosexuality. If you love your children let them live and be who they really are. Do not push us back into the closet. Do you like hurting and breaking your children? Because that is what you are doing.
Be kind to your parents as well. You don't know how hard it is to raise a child in a world where everyone has an opinion as to how you are doing as a parent. Kung hahayaan mo ang anak mo to do whatever he wants, mali ka. Pag sinaway mo, mali ka pa din.
DeleteAnd for everyone who thinks Christianity is all love love love, you forget that the God we serve is also JUST. Sin is sin. Walang grey areas.
In this context, Izzy LOVES her son but is not okay with him being a drag queen kasi nga, it goes against what the Bible teaches. Minaltrato nya ba anak nya for Ogie to call her out like this?
4:55 I am baffled by your audacity to be preachy and self-righteous in the face of someone's suffering. Hell is not a place indeed. Hell is other people.
DeleteCome out of the shadows 2:45. You don't need anybody's permission to be who you are.
4:55 walang compassion whatsoever sagot mo kay 2:45 sinarili mo na lang sana. it's not what the child wants to do that's in question here. it's what he is. and yung argument na pinipilit nyo na okay si izzy na bakla anak nya huwag lang magdrag, that's not unconditional love. if anything selfish ang nanay dahil she has conditions para matanggap nya ang anak na di naman nagpumilit ipanganak kundi ginusto nyang ipanganak.
DeleteI think accepted nya na gay ang anak nya to a point pero being a drag queen is a whole new level for her with such strong Christian faith. Ayaw nya sigurong makitang nagkakalat yung anak nya in public by being a drag queen
ReplyDeleteYes. Doing drag is another coming out
Deleteyes, accepted nya, nkikita ko pa nga sila nagtitiktok 2 nakapambabae na suot na anak nya
DeletePasensya na guys gusto ko lang malaman ano bang yung ibig sabihin ng drag queen? Yun ba yung parang si pura luka vega? Yng ng iiba ng image?
ReplyDeleteShe’s the parent so walang pake c ogie Diaz kung ganun ang pananaw nung izzy Sa anak niya! Hindi lahat pabor na maging accla or tiboli ang anak!
ReplyDeleteOk but why do people lile you and izzy chose to have kids anyway? There's always a possibility na gay ang magiging anak ng isang tao.
Delete12:40 pak! natumbok mo
DeleteAng bilis natin i-attack yung isang tao dahil iba yung paniniwala nila sa atin. As a mother, I don't see anything wrong with Izzy's sentiments and values. Yung pagtanggap sa mga desisyon ng anak, matatanggap natin pero siyempre gradually yan hindi biglaan. But their actions, that's a another story.
ReplyDeletemaging ina muna kayo
ReplyDeleteWrong. Maging matinong adult ka muna bago magina.
Delete2:51 ina na kami, pero hindi kami homophobic
DeleteSa mga inis kay Izzy, make sure na pag nagka-drag queen na anak kayo e gagawin nyo yang lahat ng sinasabi nyo.
ReplyDeleteMay kaibigan akong bading. Napaka-relihiyosa din ng mama niya pero tanggap naman siya. Pakiusap lang ng nanay niya na na huwag siyang gagawa ng bagay na magiging katatawanan siya. In short, disente at respetadong bakla.
ReplyDeleteBilang nanay, naintindihan ko si Izzy. Lalo na sa mga bakla, grabe yung discrimination at judgment sa kanila. Kung masakit sa anak, doble yung sakit sa mga magulang kasi hindi nila alam kung gaano yung sakit na nararamdaman ng anak nila.
On point ✅
DeleteAgreed. As a mom myself, I'll do everything to save them from future pain and misery.
Deletepero di ba mas masarap sa pakiramdam ng anak na suportado sya ng nanay nya kahit bakla sya? alam ng bata na mahal at tanggap sya ng nanay nya kahit sa labas ng bahay judgmental karamihan? so kung ina ka, mas uunahin mo ang sasabihin ng tao kesa sa emotional/mental state ng anak mo? anong klase kang ina?
Delete11:36 hindi mo naintindihan yung message auntie. Basahin mo uli bago ka manggigil.
Delete11:36 saang banda sinabi dyan sa original comment na mas importante yung sasabihin ng iba? Ang linaw naman, DOBLE YUNG SAKIT NA MARARAMDAMAN NG NANAY KUNG GINAGAWANG KATATAWANAN ANG ANAK. Ang hina naman ng comprehension mo!
DeleteThis is what filipinos get wrong about parenting in general. They are so caught up on their own BS that they end up teaching their kids that love is conditional. Instead believing that it's ok not to be liked because they are loved by someone every single day no matter what, they end up internalizing that they will not be loved unless they please everybody, and that involves hiding their true selves and giving in to what everybody else's wants from them and expects from them--even at their own detriment.
DeleteNatawa ako dun sa doble ang sakit sa magulang kesa sa anak kaya they would rather suppress them 🤣 these parents really are ignorant and it is terrifying na may mga anak na pinapalaki ang mga tao dito
DeleteAng daming perfect dito. Gusto mag virtue signal, anonymous naman. Sige na. Kayo na ang ally. Kinagaling nyo yan.
ReplyDelete7:18 kayo ni izzy ang nagvvirtue signal. pwedeng bakla pero hindi pwedeng drag. set your limits to yourselves, hindi yung pati pagkatao at kaligayahan ng iba e kailangan nyo ituro.
DeleteGod is not going to rewrite the bible for your generation. Stop trying to change scripture when it's written to change you.
ReplyDeleteNo thank you. You can keep your bible. Let the rest move on from the middle ages.
Delete8:29 The Bible was written and compiled by many people, whom many scholars say are mostly unknown, from a variety of disparate cultures and backgrounds. (Wikipedia)
DeleteIt's her child so she can decide how she wants to raise her kid :) :) :) Nag ambag ka ba ng pang gatas or ng pang tuition fee doon sa bata? :D :D :D Daming uzi at paki ha ha :D :D :D
ReplyDelete8:47 am siguro wala ka pang anak, or if meron man sana maging happy ang anak mo dahil yan ang nasa utak mo.
Deleteyou can't control your kid/s
Delete11:31 people need to do the you know what to have kids, which 8:47 cannot do lololol
DeleteMas masakit s anak, panu sya tatanggapin ng society kung sarili niyang ina di sya tanggap. Being righteous doesn’t mean you will deprived your son his free will and acceptance.
ReplyDeleteagree ako sayo besh 9:08. tanggapin natin ang ating anak, no questions, no buts, just love
DeleteFilipino parents tend to be self-centered and don't really know what they are doing. Lahat dinadaan sa palo, takwil, parusa.
Delete1:16 karek! nasa sinaunang panahon pa pag-iisip. mga melodramatic na pamamalakad
DeleteSiguro wag natin ijudge yung ibang tao sa gusto nila at paniniwala nila. Igalang at tanggapin parin natin sila. Sa huli wala naman silang dapat na ipaliwanag satin kay God lang Nasa kanila na yun between God at sa sarili nila. Respeto parin para sa ikakatahimik ng lahat!
ReplyDeleteThis is a perfect example na hindi talaga up to par ang high school at college education ng mga pinoy kumpara sa mauunlad na bansa. Yung mga argument na nireraise ng iba dito could've been answered sa isang psych 101 class.
ReplyDeleteYeahp, agreed! ibang iba no baks?! Pero know it all
DeleteAs an austism mom, I'd gladly accept if my son grows up to be a drag queen. Izzy, you are so lucky. I'm at the point na kahit ano pa sya, I will accept as long as he can grow up independent. Some parents don't realize how lucky they are
ReplyDeleteHow mean are you to say na you are not lucky to have your child despite of his/her disabilities… sabi mo nga some parents don’t know how lucky they are… isa ka dun
DeleteI remember yung backlash sa anak ni Ogie na si Erin for showing too much skin and all, and sobra sarcasm ni Ogie saying eh ano magagawa ko kung sexy anak ko at alam mong nabwisit sya sa pakikialam ng tao sa parenting style nila. Now , sya naman nakikialam sa ibang magulang how they should and should not do sa mga anak nila. Double standard lang Teh?
ReplyDelete10:04 hindi sya double standard kasi sinusuportahan nya ang anak nya. yung isa nauunang itakwil yung anak nya. apples and oranges.
DeleteNo my point is ayaw nya pakialaman sya ng tao sa parenting style nya. Pero why would he impose the same sa ibang magulang? Bakit makikialam sya kung ayaw din naman nya pakialaman sya?
DeleteSa ibang bansa, may mga straight males na drag queens. Ginagawa lang nila yun bilang performance para kumita. It's a job. Kumbaga para Kang nag Cosplay but paid. Pagkalabas ng room nakabihis lalaki na ulit.
ReplyDeleteSo ang point ko ay not all drag queens are gay. Research din kayo. Pamilyado pa nga ag ibang drag queens eh.
Mahahalata mo dito sa comments kung sino yung nanay at hindi. Hehe
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