@luismarasigan @ZARA its 2022 wake up no to GENDER DISCRIMINATION #LGBT #SOGIE #transitioner ♬ original sound - Angelo Marasigan
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@luismarasigan @ZARA its 2022 wake up no to GENDER DISCRIMINATION #LGBT #SOGIE #transitioner ♬ original sound - Angelo Marasigan
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Magkahiwalay pala ang fitting room sa mga ganyan sorry diko alam ha
ReplyDeletePang sm lang ako
Pag sa sm department store ako nagsusukat wala naman hiwalay na for men at women fitting room,
10:23 sorry but serious question ito… hindi hiwalay fitting room sa SM?
DeleteNakakabastos naman un. Gurl naman si Ate Gurl eh. Tsaka wala namang ibang Tao sa fitting room. Sana may isa pang cubicle for LGBT plus.
Deletemeron, ndi ka updated. go shopping again, poor you
Delete10:23,meron hiwalay na fitting rooms ang SM for men & women. Ikaw ba papayag magsukat ng undergarment sa mixed fitting room? 🙄
Delete10:23 ate sure ka nagshoshopping ka sa SM? Kasi hiwalay po dun. May men’s section nandun mga clothes halimbawa 2nd floor so dun magsusukat ang men. Ang women ay sa 3rd floor halimbawa or sa kabilang side ng isang floor kaya nandun din yung fitting room nila. Ginamit mo pa talaga SM as example ah hehe.
Deletekapag may trans na sa selection ng gender sa birth cert. or passport saka na tayo mag-usap luis
Delete@12:26 kakabili ko lang ng t shirt sa moa 2 days ago hindi naman hiwalay pinasukan ko sa department store sa ground ako. Baka sa ibang lugar.
DeleteMga babae nag fi fitting sa men fitting rooms ng sm kasama pa nga sa loob jowa nila e!
DeleteAnong sm yan? Haha hiwalay po ate
Delete2:55 nagpaka witty ka pa as if alam mo na gender orientation pag pinanganak ka duh
DeleteSa h&m dito sa europe sa lalaki ako nag fifit. Kasi walang tao at mabilis mag sukat ang mga lalaki. 😅
DeleteIm not against transwomen, personally ok lang sakin mag fit ng clothes na may transwoman s akabilang cubicle but pano if nagpapanggap lang na transwoman tapos sexual abused ka or silipan ka? Sa panahon ngayon, marami mapagsamantala, gagamitin nila ung gender card for excuse na mambastos,magpapanggap na LGBTQ para mamboso, ok lang ginawa ng Zara
DeleteHiwalay sa Sm. Kung nasa women's section ka may sarili silang fitting room.
Delete12:26 so it's not the fitting rooms that are segregated, nagkataon lang na magkahiwalay na department and mens clothes at womens clothes so syempre dun ka pupunta sa fitting room na mas malapit. But no, walang signage sa SM explicitly segregating it talaga. In fact pag masyado madami tao sa isang fitting room I just go to a different department to try on the clothes at wala naman sila pake.
DeleteI think masyado OA
ReplyDeletefitting room lang naman yan may cubicle naman yan e wala naman degrading jan
hindi ko alam sa Pinas pero sa Canada, yung mga women when they shop with friends, they like to go outside the cubicle para ipakita yung sinukat nila. sometimes they're almost naked (in their undies naman po). and yes, sa Zara magkahiwalay ang fitting room ng men and women maybe because of that reason? i don't know.
DeleteAgree. Umiyak pa. Anong degrading sa palipatin siya sa male fitting room. Trans are woman pero some women are not comfortable and not safe as well.
DeleteWhat? Trans woman are woman? Are u kidding? Do dna test and see the result of they are really woman!!
DeleteFor me din kasi hiwalay eh?? Sumunod ka na lang… wala naman kasing specific for trans pano yan
DeleteOf course madali lang sainyo sabihin yan you dont know the struggle. You dont know the feeling
Delete3:01 eh yung feeling ng babae, yung takot at worries na baka ma-assault sya sa CR or fitting room? Alam mo ba yung struggles ng mga babae?
Delete10:54 dito sa Pilipinas ang pinaguusapan, ayan na naman kayo sa dito sa Canada, dito sa Japan, dito sa U.S., dito sa Korea, dito sa etc.etc.blah blah blah
DeleteI don’t mean any harm no, curious lang, Siguro kulang din ako sa knowledge.
DeleteI get it na ang ating mga kapatid sa LGBTQ they are what they are now because of what they feel na ganun sila. I’m still confused din kasi sa di nila pagamit ng “choose” — i always hear na hindi daw nila pinili na maging ganun sila. Ganun din ba sa pagiging trans? Hindi ba sya level ng development? Kunwari, may gay men na naka normal men outfit and then meron na nag cocross dress then meron naman na tatransition to women.
My point is, they “choose” to transition right? Now, to connect. Hindi pa naman fully tanggap ng sambayanan ang ganito, dahil tulad din nila, may process din. As much as we want to support them in any way possible, hindi ata sya agad agad mangyayari. And may choice din ang ibang establishments regarding their policies, and as customers we need to follow it.
What if that protocol is more on for the safety of other patrons, and they don’t mean to hurt anyone specially the LGBTQ community.
Wala lang. Just my 2 cents.
12:24 gurl, 2022 na. Please learn the distinction of sex and gender.
DeleteMaybe all establishments should also have restrooms / fitting rooms for LGBTQ. It’s for their inclusion and protection na rin of the naturals.
ReplyDeleteNope. Dagdag gastos lang yan.
DeleteHindi yan dagdag gastos. Pag kinakailangan and the modern times call for it, di mo maiisip na gastos yan. Kailangan natin sumabay sa pagbabago ng panahon.
DeleteSayang ang space mahal ang rent sa malls!
DeletePuro sila equality but respect rin sana sa rights ng women in general.
DeleteThis isn't discrimination. Equal rights rin ng straight women.
Anonymous 4:12 even the straight men should also have their equal rights. hindi lahat ng straight men eh pabor sa mixed fitting rooms/restrooms. and yes, uunahan ko na kayo na hindi totoong walang nawawala sa mga lalaki dahil may mga naaabuso rin pero hindi lang umiimik kadalasan.
DeleteTama ka jan 4:12
DeleteBabae nga ang target nilang maging gender kaya sa babae nila gusto hindi sa kung anupamang gender
DeleteAnong equal rights ng straight woman? Bawal ka ba magpakasal sa lalaki? Pagtatawanan ka ba pag nakasuot ka ng pambabae? Paaalisin ka ba sa fitting room ng babae?
DeleteHindi naman sa minamaliit kayo peeo sana naman hindi sa lahat ng bagay mag aadjust kami para sa inyo.. Transwoman ho nga kayo pero lalaki pa rin pinanggalingan ninyo..Kung may babaeng mag rereklamo na ayaw kayo kasabay sa fitting room kasi maasiwa diba ang babae pa rin ang magiging kawawa kasi kayo ang magngangawa at at magpapaawa.Kahit bakigtarin ang mundo hindi katunay na babae.Opinyon ko to sarili ko to sana naman maintindihan mo
ReplyDeleteIf i were her, susunod nalang ako. Kahit anong fitting room pa yan ikaw parin naman mag isa sa loob so hindi nalang sana pinalaki yung issue.
ReplyDeleteAs a straight woman who doesn’t really have close friends in the LGBT, I really don’t mind if trans like her would use the female fitting room. I’m curious why other women find that uncomfortable.
ReplyDeleteKasi may ibang guys na mag aact out na trans only to record or peep at women undressing at fitting rooms.
DeleteSame thoughts. Ako personally I wouldn't mind seeing a transwoman sa female fitting room or rest room. Tsaka feeling ko mas unsafe for them (trans) kung nasa guys area sila. Mas mapapansin kasi sila doon, possible na mabastos pa.
DeleteTingin ko dapat mga babae support natin transwoman kasi we know gano katraumatic ma cat call / mabastos in public
One of the reason is because we have been violated many times by men. We don’t feel safe with a “male presence” on our supposed to be safe space. And yes kahit sabihen nyo pa na trans na the mere fact that it is still a STRANGER that came from being a man is already a trigger.
Deletekasi possible din na may ibang magkunwaring transwoman para lang mambastos
DeleteParang pinipilit niya umiyak 😢
ReplyDeleteFitting room lang yan teh. Importante may harang para makapagpalit ka.
ReplyDeleteBakit nga ba hiwalay pa fitting room? Dapat hindi na, ayusin na lang nila mga rooms kung ang worry eh masilipan
ReplyDeleteNope, not comfortable with that. Kahit anong ayos mo, kung kurtina lang yan, maraming pwedeng mangyari. Mga makukulit nga na bata bigla biglang nambubukas e
DeleteThere’s only two kinds of fitting room - male and female. Don’t blame it on the Zara staff. They are just doing their job. Also we are not that progressive in our traditional thinking of male vs female to begin with. Rome was not built in a day.
ReplyDeleteYAS!
DeleteExactly
DeleteAgree!
DeletePag transwoman naba napapalitan na gender sa birthcert??? Kung hindi, lalaki ka. Gustong gusto nyo pumasok sa pambabae, pag pinapasok kayo at pinagtinginan kayo for sure sasabihin mo nadiscriminate kapa rin 😂😂
ReplyDeleteExactly! Sana bawasan din yung entitlement
DeleteDon’t blame the staff. Marami Pa din talaga customers Hindi comfortable to share the fitting room with the opposite sex
ReplyDeleteExaclty. Sobrang oa ah. Respeto naman jan. Stay in your lane hindi ka naman namin binabastos but stop pushing it unto us. Trans is still male.
Delete"Your right ends where mine begins." You can demand to feel "safe" and be choosy if you're in your own property...or if you're in an establishment that chooses to be exclusive for cis people only.
Deleteyung manager hindi ata naturuan kung paano i handle, wala daw pakealam to think na miyembro pa siya ng lgbt . o kahit hindi miyembro basta alam ihandle, manager ba talaga yun?
ReplyDeleteyung sinabing walang pakialam.. sa point of view nya lang yun. ano bang gsto nyang gawin ng manager? pinakinggan naman sya diba? pero bawal eh.
DeleteIsang side pa lang ang narinig mo salagay na yan ha 10:58
DeleteYung story nya lang yan
DeleteThis has nothing to do with gender but, I think millennials or Gen Z people are overrated. They cry about everything and put it in social media to feel sorry for them. Well, Tough it up!
ReplyDeletevery fragile
DeleteAgree
DeleteHayyy totoo! Parang ang entitled lang. Kelangan talaga lahat mag aadjust?
DeleteGreat opportunity to talk about the SOGIE Bill and educate the people before its passage. Other countries already follow the use of restrooms based on gender identity and not on the assigned sex at birth. Pending passage of the law, ZaraPH is not on the wrong here, except that their store manager needs retraining sa customer handling.
ReplyDeleteNo offense sa mga trans and LGBTQ but maybe Zara is after the safety of their women, biologically women customers, may mga incidence na sa abroad like US mga harrassments from trans and I admit that I'm not comfortable being with them inside CRs most of these trans and gays are really loud and boisterous like ikaw pa mag aadjust sa kanilang pagka hyper at bungangera sa CR at kung di ka naman mag addjust kawawa ka cuz theyll gang up on you and no matter what kahit gaano pa kaganda pagka retoke nila they still have the strength of a biological man kaya nakakatakot pagsabihan sila kaya kaming mga babae nalang mag aadjust most of the time when theyre inside our CRs tsk
ReplyDeleteKorek
DeleteMay nakasabay akong trans sa cr ng mall. Di mo naman maiwasan na magkakatinginan kayo sa salamin habang naghuhugas ng kamay. Tinanong niya ako ano problema ko at nakatingin ako sa kanya . Sinabi ko hindi maiiwasan na tignan ka at di lang ikaw tinignan ko. Laki ng problema susko ayoko na lang patulan at obvious na palalabasin akong masama tumingin dahil nasa cr sila ng pambabae
Delete11:06 If you watched the post, there was nobody else in the area except for the transwoman and the brother. So I think hindi applicable yung sainasabi mo. That being said, siguro nga dapat may sarili silang section entirely para walang ilangan.
DeleteOne: fitting room ang issue. Hindi CR. Kahit namam mga babae maiingay di.
DeleteTwo: Madaming babae ang iingay sa CR. Again, fitting room ang issue.
Three: About sa CR, why are you bothered sa loud voices nila? Do you need to concentrate/focus while you use the toilet? I just do my thing, check my makeup sa mirror and then I go.
Four: While I agree na meron mga trans na physically larger, this trans na nag complain looks feminine. Di lahat ng trans intimidating and there are also some women na physically intimidating din.
And I’m a straight woman who has kids.
agree with you 11:06
DeleteTHIS!
DeleteSana lang soon magkaron ng cubicles for them sa malls and their own CR. Pano naman ung mga pinanganak na tunay? Di sa ano ha pero sana bigyan din ng privacy bilanh respeto. Give and take lang yan.
+1000 pts to 11:06. Kakahiya naman mga babae pa magaadjust for a CR that’s for natural born women
DeleteYou guys lack manners.
Delete1. 11:06 You don’t own the CR
2. 11:25 to begin with, it’s rude to gape and stare regardless of the gender.
I agree with separate cubicles, fitting rooms, toilet facilities, etc. Paano kung may sexual offender na magdamit trans only to victimize someone, our teenage daughters or young children. I don’t mind supporting lgbt, may family members ako who are lgbt. But for security, this goes beyond inequality.
DeleteNothing against LGBT pero yung iba sa kanila din kasi, may problema. My White American husband and I visited the Philippines. He went to use the bathroom sa SM and the gays are staring at him daw talaga and trying to make a pass on him. Super na trauma daw sya at ayaw nya mag bathroom na sa public pag dinadala ko sa Pinas. And that wasn’t the first instance. Lalo na pagdating sa mga AFAM, some of them don’t even know their boundaries. Kaya minsan, kahit ayaw natin, na ge generalize natin mga LGBT na they could be prone to doing such acts in places like dressing rooms and such.
DeleteHa? 11:49
Delete1) they dont own the CR too, so wag silang masyadong maiingay
2) nagkatinginan lang, so anong gagawin? Pipikit nalang?
Nadali mo. Okay so no offense din sa mga LGBT ah. Pero kahit pa mukhang girl un nagpost hindi naman naman natin mavvalidate kung trans sya or hindi paano kung nagppanggap lang tapos rapist or manyakis pala. Edi free to go ang bihis babaeng manyakis sa girl's fitting room kaso dali naman pal tanggapin eh. I know may pinaglalaban kayo pero hindi din naman natin alam sino ang real at hindi trans.
DeleteKorek! Minsan masyado ng demanding mga LGBTQ. Tanggap naman sila and nirerespeto naman pero madalas sobra na mga gusto nila.
Delete11:50 I agree with you. Pwede kasing magamit yan ng mga sexual offenders.
Delete1133 If that is the shops policy natural yon ang susundin ng empleyado.Wala sa hulog yung reasoning mo.Para sayo ok lang gawin ang di dapat wala namang masyadong tao or nakatingin eh ganon..?Rules are there for a reasons.Yung rules OK lang e break for valid reasons such as life and death situations but not like this.Kaya wala tayong desiplina eh.I have a lot of gay friends pero marunong silang lumugar at di feeling in tittled.Yung iba kasi sobrang feeling inaapi na.I understand LGBT kahit minsan OK na lang kahit di comfortable kasi masasabihan ka pa na closed minded.Pero wag naman feeling sobrang in titled.Nag adjust din kami sa inyo pero pag di kayo mapag bigyan wag namang feeling sobrang api.
Delete11:06 PM & 11:25 PM - I frequently encounter trans in public bathrooms, high scale and low scale malls because it's hard not to these days. True, some can be loud lalo na when they move in herds. But they were never threatening, kahit malalaki sila (because they usually are taller than the average pinay). If they occupy a space I need to pass through, I say excuse me as I would in any situation and they reply positively naman like sure or sorry. If they are blocking a sink but not using it, I ask if they're using it and they reply nicely naman (because I asked nicely). If I happen to find myself looking at them because I like their lipstick or fonda or accessory, I let them know and ask what they use and where they bought - and they reply enthusiastically. I think basic common courtesy goes a long way regardless of orientation. If you have hostility towards certain groups like mga trans but you're unaware na may bias ka against them, lalabas yan with how you deal with others and the other can sense it - hindi lang naman tayong babae ang may intuition. Besides, biological women can be quite unruly in public CRs too. Dugyot is dugyot, it's not attached to one's sexual orientation.
DeleteBago nya sabihan sana na close minded ung employee sana naisip nya sumusunod lang din sa patakaran nila yun. Ang hirap kasi hanggang ngayon wala pa din malinaw na solusyon para sa sogie baka pag may nagreklamo na natural.born woman ung empleyado pa din mapapagalitan so hirap din lulugar. Kung yun ang policy na alam nya yun susundin nya, hindi naman porket walang ibang nakakakita hindi ka na susunod sa patakaran na.binigay sayo. Minsan din cguro its a matter of pride kasi binayaran nya pa lahat ung damit na ififit nya dapat meaning gusto mo pamukha dun sa employee na sosyal ka hahaha kung anu ano sinasabi ko sorry di pa kasi ako nakakainom gamot. Basta breathe in breath out, kalma kalma para mas happy hehe
ReplyDeleteI agree. Baka yun talaga ang store policy and they're just protecting the natural born women who shops there. Kahit na trans sila they still have the strength of men. The store employee is just following the store protocol. Kawawa naman kung siya pa ang mawalan ng trabaho or masuspend for not following the rules
DeleteUnfortunately, there are women who still feels uncomfortable pag may gay, trans sa changing room. Sino nga ba dapat mag adjust? Hindi naman pwede to force women to feel ok kahit hindi. Sadly, we have a long way to go para maayos tong issue na to.
ReplyDelete11:32 me, im not comfortable. never will be. sorry
DeleteSino ang dapat mag-adjust? Sila. Hindi naman nila bahay yun to demand na dapat certain people lang ang maka-access so they can feel safe. -Another straight woman
Delete11:32 They can have their rights but not at the expense of natural born women.
Delete12;40 that’s you. e yung iba?
Deleteako i am not. kung friend ko siguro pwede pa. pano pag stranger? pano ko malalaman na yung stranger e trans talaga, or manyak na nagpapanggap na trans para mangharass or manilip?
DeleteI'm a straight woman and I don't feel comfortable with that either.
DeleteYung phrase na "natural born women" while comparing them to trans, para bang ang dating eh mas mataas ang pinanganak na babae?
DeleteSame with 12:40 not comfortable din. Ako rin ba palagi uunawa at mag aadjust sa gender preference nila? Ni rrespeto ko sila pero please not at the expense na natural women naman maabuso just because lagi sila umiiyak ng discrimination.
Delete2:03 Also not comfortable. Wag nyong dalhin 'yung mga ideologies sa mga bansa like the US dito sa 'tin because look at them right now, full of crimes and just a mess. Rules exist for a reason, including biological ones.
DeleteAko din, hindi.. pero i recognize and respect them.
DeleteAng dami naman ibang Zara branches na trans friendly sa totoo lang. Pa humble brag at entitled lang yung guy.
ReplyDeleteYou make that transwoman seem so mababaw eh ikaw tong nag-isip na BGC is something to even humblebrag about. 😂
DeleteSadya ba yung pagtawag mo sa kanya ng guy? If yes then you’re pathetic.
Delete11:35 guy talaga? Lol dami pa din backward thinking.
DeleteIpasa na kasi ang SOGIE bill. Ano ba problem nila sa SOGIE? Para wala ng ganto, magcocomply lahat ng establishments.
ReplyDeleteOA. Tama naman yung empleyado. Ikaw yung wala sa lugar.
ReplyDeleteMy gosh..ang alam ko lang basta bukas ang ilaw or nakalock. Next!
ReplyDeleteHaynaku. Gusto mo respetuhin ka, then learn to respect their protocol first. Tama man or mali. Wag mo agad tawagin ang staff na close minded at kailangan magmura/magrant sa social media. Kalma muna kasi.
ReplyDeleteSumunod na lang sa rule and not make your own rule. Kung sa tingin nya girl sya, okay. But don't impose sa establishments na babae ka ituring. It's not discrimination, the establishment is just protecting other customers.
ReplyDeleteAng sensitive at entitled masyado. Sana maisip mo rin yun safety ng naturally born females hindi lang rights ng trans. Out of topic, ang ganda ng kamay niya.
ReplyDeleteMadami din dito close minded! Yikes
ReplyDeleteBecause? Lumugar din naman kayo. wag niyong ipilit dahil may certain rules na kailangan sundin. at hindi ang emotions ninyo.
DeleteTeh third world country toh. Tandaan mo yan.
DeleteAnd so? Eh kung hindi nga komportable, mas close minded ka
DeleteAlam nyo ba ang trauma na naeexperience naming mga babae? Baka naman di kayo aware na very patriarchal and misogyny ng bansang to. Dami daming na sexually harass araw araw sa work, bahay, public places. Eh sa di nga comfortable eh. Bakit kailangang laging kami ang mag adjust? Women have always been allies and supporters of the lgbtq community, pero bakit kayo di nyo kami kayang suportahan?
DeleteLesbi ako pero di ko naman ipagpipilitan na sa mens room ako mag-cr or fitting room. Kahit awkward dahil mukha akong lalaki dun pa din ako sa pambabae. Lumugar din naman tayo.
ReplyDeleteyeah, bakit nga parang mga transwomen lang yata ang may problema maki-share sa men's CR? bakit palaging women na lang ang mag-adjust sa society? 2022 na pero palagi pa rin naapakan ang rights ng women.
DeleteNatawa ako sayo pero ganun kasi tlaga. Male at female pa lang ang gender sa atin kaya yun ang dapat sundin. Yun ang rules ng establishment na yan. Alangan nman may special treatment sa kanya. Eh di dretso tanggal ang mga empleyadoy
DeleteYou choose to use the women's room because lumulugar ka...or because you feel safer with women? Because if it's the latter then now you can understand why transwomen would do the same, lalo na prone sila to harassment and assault from straight homophobic men.
DeleteHmmm saken mas komportable ako na lesbi (ginamit ko lnag term ni 12:13) na magcr sa cr ng girls ewan ko sa mga boys bat feeling masyado molested pag may nakasabay na gay sa cr. Ung sa paggamit naman ng cr ng transwoman sa cr ng girls, sa totoo lang wala naman na kami magawa kung nandun na kayo unless may makasabay kayong matanda na talagang sarado ang isip sa ganyan. Pero yun nga syempre just like how you feel na may rights kayo as a trans ganun din feeling namen as a natural born women. Its just sa panahon ngayon pag natural born women ka at naoffend ka sa paggamit ng trans ng for women ikaw agad ang kontrabida. Sana intindihan nalang tayo lahat. Positive positive lang, ignore the negativities nalang
DeleteNakakatakot din kung sa mens ka pupunta baka may sexual offenders dun.
Delete12:51 Because it's just natural. She was born female kaya automatic na yun. At wag mo i-isolate ang trans. Everyone is prone to assault, babae man yan, lalaki, bakla, tomboy.
Delete12:26 Start pa lang 'yan. Sa US binubura na mga babae and calling them womxn
DeleteUnderstand how women feel too when they are sharing space with a different gender. Yes to lgbt’s own and separate space.
DeleteEntitled.
ReplyDeleteSuper 💯
DeleteIf it doesn't pass your standards then don't buy from them. As simple as that. Di lahat kelangan i-mema post sa soc med. At the end of the day pag trip ng tao bibili at bibili pa fin naman sila sa Zara..
ReplyDeleteIf you are not happy with the shop rules, just leave. Choice mo ang mag shopping sa Zara.
DeleteKaloka nga at binili pa din niya. Tapos bigla sasabihin huwag na bumilinsa zara
DeleteI think ang issue para sa akin dito ay yung paghandle ng manager sa situation, he/she needs more training regarding customer service. As for the fitting room, in my opinion, hindi pa rin comfortable yung mga biological women to share with transwomen for safety isssues. Or kaya mag-allot ng extra cubicles for trans?
ReplyDeleteyun nga kaya or this person is being excessively difficult? ano bang gsto nyang gawin ng manager?
DeleteAno ba gusto nyo gawin ng manager? Tumambling nalang para pagbigyan yung pagiging entitled nitong umiiyak?
DeleteThere are two sides of the story. Just because may nauna nag reklamo eh tama na agad... may corporate tules din na kelangan sundin yung manager
i have no issues with trans but this can be used by sexual offenders. magpanggap lang na trans.
ReplyDeleteCorrect! There should be something done to protect and respect everybody.
DeleteIf you go by statistics madaming trans ang naha harrassed sa male restrooms. Wala naman incident na gayan lels
DeleteHindi pa rin ako comfy na may lalaki sa fitting room with me
ReplyDeleteLGBTQ deserve respect and acceptance BUT you can't force it. Hindi lang ito issue ng "ito yung gusto ko" or "ito yung nararamdaman ko." It's an establishment with it's own set of rules that people need to adhere to, regardless of your gender, social status, race, or age.
ReplyDeleteMISMO
DeleteI agree with you! I respect them, I have a lot of LGBTQ friends and family but I can’t blame those who can’t accept them (yet). Hindi sya pwedeng basta na lang iforce sa ibang tao.
DeleteEspecially sa mga older generations and religious peeps. Lagi ko nga sinasabi sa Mom ko, if you can’t accept them then just let them. Live and let live.
DeleteI agree with this. Do PWDs or pregnant women request extra accommodations for them to fit anything? No. Please, let's be inclusive and respectful with others, but not spoil just because.
DeleteTama its not about how you feel lang po..Not all the time I'm happy nor comfortable pero sige na lang kasi parang ipaparamdam na sa iyo minsan na super closed minded ka.So how about our feelings din po na mga straight.Lets compromise naman especially kung me policy at wag ipilit yung gusto natin.
DeleteHello dami din kaya mga pervert na kapwa lalaki sa mens room. Yung asawa ko biktima at bro-in-law. Separate occassion sa SM may lalaking nagpipic sa kanila while peeing from the other cubicle. So wala na talaga safe ngayon mga mars. I hear her pov kase kahit sa mens room sya pumunta macoconscious din yung ibang narrow minded na homophobic duon pag nakita sya. So saan nga naman sya lulugar. Easy to say for us straight people pero put yourselves din minsan at their shoes.
ReplyDeleteGets ko point mo na di tin comfy mga lalaki pag sa men’s restroom or fitting room sila pumunta. Pero pano yung mga nagpapanggap lang na trans woman papasok sa women’s fitting room or restroom tapos mang babastos worst mang rape?
DeleteMaglagay ng security guard sa fitting rooms kung ganon ang concern talaga. Baks, seryoso usapan ang rape issue at kahit di trans pede makalusot ang isang manyakis na straight na lalaki dyan kung halang talaga bituka nyan.
DeleteMay isa pa siyang video inside Zara nagsasalita siya na hindi niya na fit and pinakita niya na bibilhin na lang niya yun mga damit na ang dami. May dagdag na pagmamayabang na din. Aminin man noya o hindi.
ReplyDeleteProbably just to save that little dignity she had left. It's not pagmamayabang siguro. Parang si Julia Roberts sa Pretty Woman scene
DeleteTrue nagmamayabang na can afford niya bilin yung mga pricey clothes sa BGC branch kahit napahiya siya. May online shop naman ang Zara PH noh sana doon na lang siya namili.
Deletedati gusto nila tanggapin lang ng lipunan, ngayon nman na tanggap na tanggap na, iba nman ang demand nila? nakakhiya nman sa mga babae😒
ReplyDeleteTotoo bang tanggap na? Based sa majority ng comments dito mukhang hindi.
DeleteTanggap na tanggap na? And bakit nakakahiya sa babae? Maghuhubad ka ba sa harap ng stranger pag nasa fitting room? Hindi naman diba. Kaartehan mo lang yan teh. Just admit di mo sila tanggap and you’re discriminating them.
Delete12:41 wala tayong paguusapan dito kung totoong tanggap na sila.
DeleteAng babae ba tinanong kung ayos lang samin na papasok kayo? Kung sa tingin nyo babae kayo eh pano yun true born na babae, di tingin sa inyo na babae kayo, so sino ang dapat mag-adjust??
ReplyDeleteBakit kayo kelangan tanungin? Entitled much? And what actual harm are we talking about here? Yung discomfort na pinopoint out mo stems from your own hatred and bigotry.
Delete446 bakit kami hindi kelangan tanungin e kayo yung nanghihimasok??
DeleteE pano kung pretending lang pala na trans woman tapos sex offender pala? Hatred pa ba yon o bigotry? Pano kung may trend sa tiktok na mag pretend ka as trans tapos pasok ka sa women’s restroom? Sa dami ng loko ngayon hindi mo na alam kung sino yung totoo sa hindi.
DeleteAnong bigotry pinagsasabi mo? Kame ba nagbago diba kau ? Bakit feeling nyo madali para samin, wag masyadong demanding kung di pabor sa inyo di nagmumula un sa bigotry at discrimination agad. Pwede hindi umiikot ang mundo sa inyo, maging patience din kayo kung di agad lahat makaka adjust
Delete4:46 maka-hatred agad? Bakit feeling lang ba ang 🏳️🌈 Ang kailangan iconsider? Akala ko ba fairness 🙄. Hay naku oa
Delete4:46 Hatred and bigotry na lang mga talking points nyo, not realizing you're exhibiting the exact same thing.
DeleteKaya dapat nag aask tayo kasi lagi. Ask ka muna. Hello po pwede po ako mag fit dito? Then kapag nag No edi alis ka. Wag tayo kasi lagi mag hanap ng ika ooffend natin. LGBT din ako, i protect my gays friends, but we should know the limit all the time.
ReplyDeletethank you!!! this is so on point
DeleteExactly!
DeleteSalute to you for not feeling intittled.
DeleteThis! Thank you
DeleteFirst time to comment because of this. I liked what you said which is applicable to all. “Wag tayo kasi lagi mag hanap ng ika ooffend natin.”
Delete12:49 you earned my total respect! Sana mas marami pang maging gaya mo
DeleteHi fullmoon, love your stand and on point. Sana marami pa katulad mo na hindi feeling entitled
DeleteSaludo ako sa'yo. Sana lahat tulad mo.
Deletepag binigyan mo naman ng sarili nilang fitting room hindi pa rin happy, sabihin bakit sila sine-separate from women ganung woman din naman daw sila?
ReplyDeleteIssue din to sa akin. I want fair treatment for everybody kaso pano yung mga bastos na pwedeng mag panggap na trans para lang makapasok sa pang babae na fitting room/restrooms? How can we avoid that?
ReplyDeleteThen the problem is the men, not trans women. Think about it.
DeleteThen we punish offenders accordingly. Kung may umabuso, ireklamo. Pero why should we prevent others from feeling accepted just because of a fear na may existing counter measures naman?
Delete4:48 prevention is always better than cure. Punish offenders? The damage has been done. Okay lang pala na may mabiktima kasi pwede naman parusahan.
DeleteAt 4:08, pwede din nmang women pretending as men para makapasok sa men’s restroom tapos gagawa ng kalokohan. Hindi lang to problema ng mga bastos na lalaki.
DeleteWe should think of prevention sana bago umabot sa countermeasures. Let’s say rape, makulong man yung rapist, the trauma will be there forever.
Delete4:48, wag mag impose so ang naturally born na babae bawal magreklamo at ma offend, trans pwede? San ang fairness don?
DeleteHow old is the Philippines? No one is discriminating against you. You are trying to change a centuries old belief and culture. The progress in lgbtq has been amazing! Amazing! Compare that to the african-americans racism problem. This is not the way to change people’s mind. This antagonizes people to your cause. If you want people to be tolerant and accepting - practice that grace yourself.
ReplyDeleteIt seems that transwomen are the ones who are always complaining compared to transmen, is it because they still have the ego of a man? It's not that easy to just accept what they want, not to mention there were cases of transwomen abusing women in the ladies room. Women fought and are still fighting for rights in many parts of the world, it is not right that we have to deal with transwomen making us feel they should be included in everything! My respect goes to LBGTQ++ members who know their boundaries.
ReplyDeleteVery on point. Sadly even though we women support them. They don’t seem to even give support to our cause. And some even antagonize what little rights we have.
DeleteKung sino pa tong minority, sila pa malakas ang loob mag-demand na tanggapin ng nakararami. Kala nila overnight lang ang pagbabago. We're living in the modern times but most of us are brought up in a traditional and conservative culture whether we admit it or not. Malaki pa din percentage ng older generation including the older millennials. We still have a long way to go, wag ipilit. Maybe when the millennials replace the baby boomers eh tanggap na kayo ng buong buo ng society.
ReplyDeleteGanun kadalasan, yung minority ang mas maraming demands kasi nga minority lang sila kaya mas idaan sa ingay
DeleteAng sensitive nmn sa mga ganito. Ang ending mag cclamor for "gender neutral fitting rooms". Minsan when you ask for "equal treatment", you fail to recognize how others feel. And when others say they're not comfortable, iinvalidate nmn yun by saying they shouldnt be. Tanggapin na hindi lang ang societal norms sa pinas ang hindi pa fully nag eembrace sa ganyan ka open na thinking. May mga individuals pa rin na iba2 ang kayang itolerate na extremies / norms
ReplyDeleteRespect begets Respect.
ReplyDeleteTumahimik ka ui! Oa mo! This is for the safety sa mga natural. Kahit ako aalis if may trans nakalinya. What if nagpanggap lang na babae tapos may kasama kang batang babae, goodness
ReplyDeleteWhen I was younger, I agreed sa idea na magpagawa ng separate bathrooms for LGBT. But now I realized, aside from magastos siya and not every establishment can accomodate that, it is a fact that the LGBT is really a minority of the population. So bakit kelangan gumastos for restrooms na in reality is iilan lang ang gagamit? I support whoever you are, but facts over feelings. If we cater sa bawat taong naooffend, it’s not sustainable for a progressive society.
ReplyDeleteMy two cents lang naman.
Progressives are the ones who are actually crying a lot about several things.
DeleteI agree
DeleteAkala ko nung una ko tong nakita sa fb may ginawa nanamang kalokohan si Buknoy.
ReplyDeletePriviledged much?? I’m gay pero sumunod ka sa policies ng establishment kung ayaw mo sa iba na lang.
ReplyDeleteSorry!!! I will stand by zara! Love gay people but I will feel uneasy if I see someone na trans sa woman na fitting room.
ReplyDeleteTo solve this issue of these transgenders, I just believe that there should be a third type of fitting room for transgenders, not because I have the concept of discrimination on top of my mind BUT it is because we must all recognize that transgenders exist and that they are important members of our society worthy of their own space and respect from us. The only problem that I could see is that these transwomen themselves find a third type of fitting room or restroom as offensive . BUT TO MY MIND, if these transwoman would insist that they identitfy themselves as women and that they are indeed women, THEN they as transgenders themselves are invalidating and cancelling themselves as significant members of our society. I just think that transgenders should recognize their own existence and fill their own space in our society because if they would assert that they are indeed women, so it only means that they as transgenders do not recognize their own existence and are not proud of their status as transgenders. So, if they are not proud of being transgenders and are not respecting their space in the community, then why demand the rest of the world respect and accept them the way they want it to? Come to your senses, love and accept your space in the society so that all the people around will recognize and love your existence.
ReplyDeleteThis!
DeleteSana maayos na yung issue na ito sa Pilipinas. Mas okay sakin kung may sarili sila. Una, hinde talaga sila safe sa mga men's area. They were often harassed ng mga lalakeng bastos. I know because I have gay friends. Second, naiintindihan ko na may mga babaeng hinde talaga komportable kasi babae rin ako.
ReplyDeletei'm soft butch and i buy clothes sa men's section. ilang beses na ako nasabihan ng staff na ang pang babae sa kabilang section. dedma. then maghahanap na ko ng sizes, ang question para ba kanino, sasagutin ko for myself, and i provide the size. next answer ni staff, ay ang pang women po dun sa kabila. nasita na din ako once i got clothes from men's wear and tried fitting sa men's fitting room, so baba or aakyat pa ako sa women's fitting to fit, medyo effort. so everytime i shop sa men's wear i ask muna kung pwede mag fit sa men's pag di pwede i go to the women's fitting room.
ReplyDeleteButch ka. Not a trans. Magkaiba yun.
DeleteStraight woman here. I buy men's shirt bec i like to wear medyo loose and yung mga sando na makapal yung sleeves, ina ask ko din ang staff if ok lang magsukat sa men's fitting room. Kung wala naman ibang customer, pumapayag sila . Depende siguro sa establishment
DeleteBaka naman kasi nasa women’s section siya kaya ang fitting rooms ay para sa babae. Kung nasa men’s section, siempre, ang fitting room ay panglalaki. Kahit nga sa Walmart dito sa US, hiwalay ang fitting rooms dahil magkalayo ang women's and men’s sections. Gusto kasi ng mga LGBTQ+, ipingsisiksikan ang mga sarili nila kahit everybody wants to accommodate them.kung gusto ninyong igalang kayo, be polite din po sa iba.
ReplyDeleteSabi ng LGBTQ: accept and respect us for who we are!
ReplyDeleteSabi ng non/anti-LGBTQ: accept and respect us too for who we are and part of who we are is we can’t accept you
In short, we can’t impose acceptance to everyone. 🤷♀️
Kahit lgbt ka, men is for mens fitting room, kahit dito sa US, kasi pwedeng magdisguise now adays yon pala sex predator.
ReplyDeleteI find this post so selfish, wala sa halaga or sa dme sa binili mo sa isang establishment para makapag demand ng ganyan. They have their own rules and regulations to follow. Uulitin ba pa natin mga instances na may mga straight na nagpapa panggap na gay/transwoman so they can take advantage or women sa mga dressing room? Ilang beses na tayo nakanood na men goes to women's dressing room tapos videohan nila habang nagsusukat? So dahil lang ba sinabi mo transwoman ka they can trust you already?
ReplyDeleteTrans rights is human rights!
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure which area of the dressing room the transwomen will use. Louis looks like a woman, so if he goes to the men's side, do you think he won't encounter any hostile men there? If he goes to the women's side, do you think women will have their rights reduced? Where are we going to put the transwomen or LGBTQ people if there isn't a place for them? What good is GENDER EQUITY? (not sex equality).
ReplyDeleteWala namang kasalanan yong staff jan. Ginagawa lang nila trabaho nila para sa safety din ng mga customer nilang babae. Sya na mismo nagsabi na gay yong manager tapos hindi sya pinagbigyan. Ibig sabihin talaga bawal, nasa rules nila yun sinusunod lang nya. Hindi naman ako against sa LGBTQ+ pero sana wag naman entitled yong iba.
ReplyDeleteI saw the Video.. its his side of the story.. and you cannot persuade people not to buy in zara just because you say so..
ReplyDeleteOkay medyo wala sa hulog yung pag iyak ni Luis. I mean, based sa kwento nya mukhang respectful naman ang staff. I feel like nagkaron na sila ng incident na may nagreklamo that's why they're being strict about it.
ReplyDeleteLuis, dear, I don't think the staff meant to discriminate. They were just following the store policy para sa.ikapapanatag ng loob ng 99.9% ng customers nila
Personally wala akong problema sa trans using female fitting rooms or restrooms. Pero store policies are there for a reason. Alangan naman irisk nila maoffend ang ibang paying customers para sa convenience mo.
as a woman, yes, uncomfortable/ awkward pa din for some na makasabay sa fitting rooms ang hindi natural woman, so what if malls na lang mag adjust? Sana malls have a fitting room / restroom for LGBTQ where they can use na lang so they can easily fit the items there kung uncomfortable sila in the male or female fitting room based on their original orientation.
ReplyDeleteAt least this will be more cost effective than having all shops add a separate fitting room.
Yes, this is a hassle but when you chose to change your sexual orientation, society cannot adjust to you a 100%, there has to be sacrifices on your part as well.
To the people saying sumunod na lang, hwag demanding, etc, ilagay nyo naman sarili nyo sa posisyon ng mga trans. Have some empathy. Syempre kung trans woman ka mahihiya ka din gamitin ang men's room, at mas may risk pa na mapagtripan at ma-harrass ka don. No joke hanggang ngayon nabubugbog pa rin ang mga bakla. Yes respect the feelings of women and men, pero we should also respect feelings of gays dahil tao din naman sila.
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