Anon 1:18, sa docu ni Howie ko rin nalaman yung buhay ni Juan Luna. Anyway, hindi natin pwedeng balewalain ang talent ni Juan Luna dahil lang pinatay niya ang wife at biyenan. Ano nga pala pingalalaban ni Lea...seryosong tanong lang.
2:18 'dahil lang pinatay niya ang wife at biyenan'
There is something wrong with the last part of this sentence. Lang? Really? Kailan pa naging lang ang pagpatay ng tao? Yes he was talented, yes he was a brilliant artist, but a murderer still.
12:45 i never knew about this dark side of luna since it was never discuss to us during elementary to college. Pti hndi nman as in binigyan pansin ang life nya noon. Well, lahat nman siguro ng ph famous people have their dark side like aguinaldo, rizal, and such
2:18 im also confuse why lea wanted to discuss this.
@2:18 nagtanong nga siya if iignore na lang ba natin ung ginawa and accept hin as a flawed but talented man or iignore natin ung talent niya dahil sa nagawa niya. Don't knkw if nagets mo na pero just trying.
Nabuhay at na sensationalize yung kwento na yan dahil doon sa babaeng si Mara Pardo de Tavera, who I think is also a descendant of Luna’s slain wife. They now live in the States at Brown yata ang married name. Anyway, they want to make sure that Juan Luna’s name and legacy is tarnished by the gruesome murder in Paris. Para hindi na ma recognize yung mga contribution niya sa sining at sa history ng bansa. They want him to be remembered as a common criminal who killed one of their ancestors. #gantigantihan kasi (although I’m not sure,) wala na rin yatang descendant si Juan Luna na pwede o gustong kumontra sa paninira ng Pardo de Tavera clan.
Mga foreigners yung family ng wife nya di ba? Pwes wag nila pakialaman ang history natin. They can hate Juan Luna all they want, that is their right but to try to change and erase his contribution to our nation's history is stupid. Hindi mo mababago yun. Him fighting for our freedom is different from him committing murder. Learn to separate the two. THAT IS FAIR.
Kung kamag anak nyo ang pinatay, won’t you be asking for justice? Luna’s works should not be discredited pero naiintindihan ko din yung side ng wife nya.
4:04 No. That is not fair. We were not taught about this side of his to the detriment of truthfulness and factuality. It is not fair to the family he murdered. It is not fair to the person/s he killed. Fighting for freedom while killing people not related to the principle you are fighting for is not fair. Murder is never fair.
7:58, IT IS FAIR AND IT IS UNFAIR THAT YOU ACCUSED ME OF SAYING THAT MURDER IS FAIR. I never said that. Hindi mo naintindihan yung post ko, kindly read it again please.
I can't call his art brilliant after learning about his past. Kung ngayon nangyari yan his artwork will never be celebrated. His wife and mother in law demands justice.
E mas medieval tayo kase kelan lang narepeal ang article 247 sa Pilipinas. Mas malala nga sa atin kase pati anak na babae pwedeng patayin ng ama kapag nahuli sa act ng pakikipagtalik sa hindi asawa.
Magresearch kang bwiset ka! Pag sa mga chismis nakaresearch kayo at maguutos pang magresearch pero pag sa mga importanteng history gusto ikwento! Anu ka bata na matutulog?!
Minsan it pays to read books. Hindi lang puro wattpad at pocketbooks from artistas. Minsan mag open ka rin ng history book. Promise masaya tuklasin ang nakaraan
Ang tatalino nyo daw po. Kayo na ang ang mahilig magbasa at nakikinig sa history class. Okay na? Not 12:46, pero buwisit ako sa mga akala moy kakababait, katatalino, kasisipag, at akala moy HINDI CHISMOSA. hahahahaha
Ouch 9:24 am. Hindi lang naman puro love story and young adult ang Wattpad. Meron din history books dun kung magtitiyaga lang maghanap. Huhu lagi na lang jina judge ang Wattpad ng dahil lang sa mga nakikitang Wattpad books sa National Bookstore na puro love love. 😢
1:04 mads maige pa din ang chismosa at mahilg magbasa at nakikinig sa history class kay sa chismosa lang. Okay? Sa pagkatsimosa mo at di nagbabasa, di mo malaman difference. Kaya magbasa ka, di lang puro chismis!
Hoy 1:04, imbes tumalak ka jan sana kinwentuhan mo yang nagpapakwento na isa dyan, edi sana tapos ang storya! Chismosa kami pero di lang sa phil showbiz, pati phil history. Duh
Parang Vincent Van Gogh. Parehas sila disturbed. Pero at least tinanggal lang ni Vincent ang kanyang ear. Hindi murderer unlike Juan Luna. Kaya nga sabi ng mga soldiers na galit sa magkapatid na Juan at Antonio, lunatic daw sila. :(
Ang take ko is appreciate his works and contribution to art but his other side is something else not to be ignored or for some to romanticize. Most artists and philosophers written in history books have both good and bad written about them.
It only goes to show how inaccurate our history to begin with. Growing up i really thought Emilio Aguinaldo was a good man, tpus sya pala ang nasa likod ng pagkamatay ni Andres at ng Heneral. Naniniwala ako na kaya tayo ganito kagulo ngayon dahil hindi natin lubos naiintindihan ang ating kasaysayan.
Inaacurate since students were not given all of the facts. History should be presented with utmost accuracy. To use personal biases to teach history is inaccuracy.
Aguinaldo's story is still inaccurate 2:40, since schools(during the time Im still studying) didnt give full story what aguinaldo done to our country. How coward and greedy he is.
Sinabi mo pa, Emilio Aguinaldo is the worst, allegedly he also had Andres Bonifacio's wife raped sa mga soldiers nya, thats how insecure he was w/ Andres.
Or they omitted the bad parts. Pareho lang tayo 2:25. I also grew up thinking he was a hero. Then little by little, as I watched documentaries, dun ko na nalalaman yung truth. Also read Nick Joaquin's "A Question of Heroes."
Aguinaldo should not be called a hero. Pinakakawawa sa kanilang lahat na hero nuon si Bonifacio talaga. HIndi lang sya trinaydor ni aguinaldo at pinapatay, pati pamilya nya tapos ang mga historians nirerelegate sya sa side in favor of Rizal just because he's not highly educated like him and when I say "highly educated" I mean someone who attended universities founded by evil elites of the world.
Nakakalungkot na hindi natin naintindihan ang ating nakaraan. Kung naitama ang ating pagkakaunawa sa history baka si Andres ang ating pambansang bayani - baka mas matapang at nationalistic tayo ngayon.
if its crime passionel why his byenan too? well now that its out should we not state it in history as well? Rizal was dubbed as.a.womanizer and we all accepted that fact.
@7:40am si Lea ba sinasagot mo? Natural alam nya kaya nga sinabi nyang MORE public. May issue ngayon ang Pardo de Taveras vs Juan Luna and his works. Kaya sya nagcomment ng ganyan sa nilabas na article ng Esquire Magazine. Ok ka na?
What funny about that 8:16. I even didnt know about this despite nakagraduate ako nung 2017. Meaning no schools will tell u or any students what luna what done, except for the spolarium which un lng ang lagi sinasabi s school.
Ultimo nga yung si antonio lun (kapatid yta nya), hndi natuturo s skool. Nakilala lng sya gwa ng entitled movie nya
Paanong ituturo comprehensively yang part of history natin na yan eh pinalitan at tinambakan na nila ng history about Martial law, EDSA at mga aquino na mga "hero" daw natin. LMAO! Alam nyo na kung sino ang dapat sisihin.
Matagal ng public knowledge ito, nasa history books. Marami lang talaga ang sadyang hindi nagbabasa or nakikinig nun mga estudyante pa.
I have always admired Luna’s works, regardless of his temper. Doesn’t mean I condone his behavior. There are many artists like that (not justifying it, just stating a fact). Van Gogh, Edgar Allan Poe, to name a few.
Excuse me 8:34. Luna's dark side was never been taught to school. Schools only taught their student about his spolarium painting and thats all. Maliban nlng kung ang major mo is history. Kung hndi, hndi tlaga nman ito malalaman kung hndi lng kmi nagbasa ng other references outside ng school, eventhough hndi nman kmi required.
Ngayon ko lang din to nalaman not because I didn't read way back, but because it was never taught in our school. Does not knowing this fact mean we are ignorant people? What if we just care more about English and Mathematics, that History went under the radar for some? Don't discredit people's knowledge/intelligence just because they don't know the only thing you can be proud of knowing.
i think inire relate lang nya ang past and history with how things are going on right now.
di ba right now, there is an outright and a snap call for anyone labeled with acts of crime and abuse with boycott specifically those involved in the entertainment world and sports.
so ganun din ba tayo sa mga tao na altho had passed on and are part of old history, eh elevated into national artistry?
Ang hirap kasi sa atin we are so hung up on HEROES. Why can't he just be taught in schools as a great painter but then also tell people about his dark side. Hindi yung lahat may label. Eto National Hero eto Hero, hindi ba pare pareho lang sila ng pinaglalaban? A free Philippines?
Look, hindi man nila nilagay sa texbooks natin yan pero public knowledge yan ever since at walang nagtago ng info na yan. Hindi man sinulat sa books pero kinwento ng history teacher namin yan nuon. So ano bang gusto nyong mangyari kay Luna? I-erase natin sya sa history as if he never existed? Kaloka...
Tita Lea that's old news. History na yan, alam na Alam na na pinata ni Juan Luna yun misis nya at byenan sa Paris.
ReplyDeleteShocks wala akong alam jan baks di nadiscuss samin noon
Delete1:14 Baks i-search mo lang sa youtube ang documentary ni Howie Severino sa I-witness. Passion of crime ang nangyari
Delete1:18 bakz you mean crime of passion, iba meaning pag passion of crime parang serial killer may passion sa pagpatay lol
DeleteAnon 1:18, sa docu ni Howie ko rin nalaman yung buhay ni Juan Luna. Anyway, hindi natin pwedeng balewalain ang talent ni Juan Luna dahil lang pinatay niya ang wife at biyenan. Ano nga pala pingalalaban ni Lea...seryosong tanong lang.
Delete2:18 'dahil lang pinatay niya ang wife at biyenan'
DeleteThere is something wrong with the last part of this sentence. Lang? Really? Kailan pa naging lang ang pagpatay ng tao?
Yes he was talented, yes he was a brilliant artist, but a murderer still.
Hahahaha I agree with you 12:45. Ancient news na yan. Every one knows of his dark side, but him, being a great general still overcomes it all
Delete12:45 i never knew about this dark side of luna since it was never discuss to us during elementary to college. Pti hndi nman as in binigyan pansin ang life nya noon. Well, lahat nman siguro ng ph famous people have their dark side like aguinaldo, rizal, and such
Delete2:18 im also confuse why lea wanted to discuss this.
Ay 2:18 wag kang maka “dahil lang pinatay” nakakaloka
Delete@2:18 nagtanong nga siya if iignore na lang ba natin ung ginawa and accept hin as a flawed but talented man or iignore natin ung talent niya dahil sa nagawa niya. Don't knkw if nagets mo na pero just trying.
DeleteDiko rin gets kung anong pinaglalaban ni tita Lea. Ano bang gusto nyang mangyari kay Juan Luna?
DeleteHmmmm... Wait a minute. Cavitenya ba si Lea???
@ Anon 1:18: crime of passion kasi yun
DeleteNabuhay at na sensationalize yung kwento na yan dahil doon sa babaeng si Mara Pardo de Tavera, who I think is also a descendant of Luna’s slain wife. They now live in the States at Brown yata ang married name. Anyway, they want to make sure that Juan Luna’s name and legacy is tarnished by the gruesome murder in Paris. Para hindi na ma recognize yung mga contribution niya sa sining at sa history ng bansa. They want him to be remembered as a common criminal who killed one of their ancestors. #gantigantihan kasi (although I’m not sure,) wala na rin yatang descendant si Juan Luna na pwede o gustong kumontra sa paninira ng Pardo de Tavera clan.
Delete1:14 nood-nood din ng documentaries wag laging teleserye
DeleteMga foreigners yung family ng wife nya di ba? Pwes wag nila pakialaman ang history natin. They can hate Juan Luna all they want, that is their right but to try to change and erase his contribution to our nation's history is stupid. Hindi mo mababago yun. Him fighting for our freedom is different from him committing murder. Learn to separate the two. THAT IS FAIR.
Delete3:08 general pala si juan luna?
DeleteKung kamag anak nyo ang pinatay, won’t you be asking for justice? Luna’s works should not be discredited pero naiintindihan ko din yung side ng wife nya.
4:04
DeleteNo. That is not fair. We were not taught about this side of his to the detriment of truthfulness and factuality. It is not fair to the family he murdered. It is not fair to the person/s he killed. Fighting for freedom while killing people not related to the principle you are fighting for is not fair. Murder is never fair.
The padro de taveras are filipinos my dear
DeleteNope my dear. The Pardo de Taveras are Filipinos. Old rich pinoys during the Spanish regime 😊
Delete7:58, IT IS FAIR AND IT IS UNFAIR THAT YOU ACCUSED ME OF SAYING THAT MURDER IS FAIR. I never said that. Hindi mo naintindihan yung post ko, kindly read it again please.
DeleteI read it. Yes he was a brilliant artist. But the reason why he got away with murder was just so sad and disappointing.
ReplyDeletevery medieval kasi ang laws noon.
Deleteyes @1:03 and very patriarchal din
DeleteI can't call his art brilliant after learning about his past. Kung ngayon nangyari yan his artwork will never be celebrated. His wife and mother in law demands justice.
DeleteBcoz they are MASONS!
DeleteE mas medieval tayo kase kelan lang narepeal ang article 247 sa Pilipinas. Mas malala nga sa atin kase pati anak na babae pwedeng patayin ng ama kapag nahuli sa act ng pakikipagtalik sa hindi asawa.
Deletedali baks kwentuhan nyo ako. anyare kay pareng juan luna?
ReplyDeleteBasahin mo article diba
Delete12:46 uso magbasa at makinig sa history class.
DeleteWag tamad. Magbasa din paminsan minsan para lumawak yung kaalaman mo. Tska tinuro na yan sa elementary before
DeleteSearch mo na lang baks sa youtube. Naging documentary yan sa I-witness ni Howie Severino
DeleteMagresearch kang bwiset ka! Pag sa mga chismis nakaresearch kayo at maguutos pang magresearch pero pag sa mga importanteng history gusto ikwento! Anu ka bata na matutulog?!
DeleteBasag si 12:46 hahahaha aral aral din pag may time
DeleteMinsan it pays to read books. Hindi lang puro wattpad at pocketbooks from artistas. Minsan mag open ka rin ng history book. Promise masaya tuklasin ang nakaraan
DeleteLOL, 1:20 nakakainis ano?
DeleteAng tatalino nyo daw po. Kayo na ang ang mahilig magbasa at nakikinig sa history class. Okay na? Not 12:46, pero buwisit ako sa mga akala moy kakababait, katatalino, kasisipag, at akala moy HINDI CHISMOSA. hahahahaha
DeleteOuch 9:24 am. Hindi lang naman puro love story and young adult ang Wattpad. Meron din history books dun kung magtitiyaga lang maghanap. Huhu lagi na lang jina judge ang Wattpad ng dahil lang sa mga nakikitang Wattpad books sa National Bookstore na puro love love. 😢
Delete1:04 mads maige pa din ang chismosa at mahilg magbasa at nakikinig sa history class kay sa chismosa lang. Okay? Sa pagkatsimosa mo at di nagbabasa, di mo malaman difference. Kaya magbasa ka, di lang puro chismis!
DeleteHoy 1:04, imbes tumalak ka jan sana kinwentuhan mo yang nagpapakwento na isa dyan, edi sana tapos ang storya! Chismosa kami pero di lang sa phil showbiz, pati phil history. Duh
DeleteDAMING MAPAGPANGGAP DITO! MGA NAGBABASA KAYO NG HISTORY???????!
DeletePano mo naman nalaman na nagpapanggap lang sila?
DeleteBehind those great paintings was a very disturbed and violent man
ReplyDeleteI don't think he's disturbed, but he does have a terrible temper. A Luna, you know.
DeleteMe mga Psychotic tendencies sila tapos inelevate pa nung me mga posisyon at Untouchable sila dahil mga MASON!
DeleteParang Vincent Van Gogh. Parehas sila disturbed. Pero at least tinanggal lang ni Vincent ang kanyang ear. Hindi murderer unlike Juan Luna. Kaya nga sabi ng mga soldiers na galit sa magkapatid na Juan at Antonio, lunatic daw sila. :(
DeleteSus, Ate Lea matagal na yang info about Juan Luna. May temper talaga sila ng brother nyang si Hen. Antonio Luna.
ReplyDeleteDalawa ang pinatay ni Juan Luna. Ang asawa nya at kanyang biyenan. Nabaril rin nya ang kanyang bayaw na kapatid ng kanyang asawa.
ReplyDeleteHello! Never kasing ginawan ng article/ write up about this sensitive story
ReplyDeleteVery true 1:38. Also luna was never really discuss to our school when Im still studying(elemantary up to college), except for his Spolarium painting
Deleteyou can watch the iwitness docu ni howie severino about this 3 yrs ago ata yun.
DeleteAng take ko is appreciate his works and contribution to art but his other side is something else not to be ignored or for some to romanticize. Most artists and philosophers written in history books have both good and bad written about them.
ReplyDeleteYep separate the art from the artist. Hirap naman kasi mag pretend na hindi mo gusto ang work ng artist. Life is too short.
DeleteIt only goes to show how inaccurate our history to begin with. Growing up i really thought Emilio Aguinaldo was a good man, tpus sya pala ang nasa likod ng pagkamatay ni Andres at ng Heneral. Naniniwala ako na kaya tayo ganito kagulo ngayon dahil hindi natin lubos naiintindihan ang ating kasaysayan.
ReplyDeleteIts not inaccurate. Sometimes you just understood it differently coz the way it was taught.
DeleteInaacurate since students were not given all of the facts. History should be presented with utmost accuracy. To use personal biases to teach history is inaccuracy.
DeleteAguinaldo's story is still inaccurate 2:40, since schools(during the time Im still studying) didnt give full story what aguinaldo done to our country. How coward and greedy he is.
DeleteHistory is written by the victorious. Lalo na noon, madaling magtago ng katotohanan at mag-spread ng fake news kasi mahirap mag-verify ng facts.
DeleteSinabi mo pa, Emilio Aguinaldo is the worst, allegedly he also had Andres Bonifacio's wife raped sa mga soldiers nya, thats how insecure he was w/ Andres.
DeleteOr they omitted the bad parts. Pareho lang tayo 2:25. I also grew up thinking he was a hero. Then little by little, as I watched documentaries, dun ko na nalalaman yung truth. Also read Nick Joaquin's "A Question of Heroes."
DeleteAguinaldo should not be called a hero. Pinakakawawa sa kanilang lahat na hero nuon si Bonifacio talaga. HIndi lang sya trinaydor ni aguinaldo at pinapatay, pati pamilya nya tapos ang mga historians nirerelegate sya sa side in favor of Rizal just because he's not highly educated like him and when I say "highly educated" I mean someone who attended universities founded by evil elites of the world.
DeleteNakakalungkot na hindi natin naintindihan ang ating nakaraan. Kung naitama ang ating pagkakaunawa sa history baka si Andres ang ating pambansang bayani - baka mas matapang at nationalistic tayo ngayon.
Deleteif its crime passionel why his byenan too? well now that its out should we not state it in history as well? Rizal was dubbed as.a.womanizer and we all accepted that fact.
ReplyDeleteWomanizer is not the same as murderer.
DeleteThat has always been public. Just bec di ka nainform doesnt mean secret sya.
ReplyDeleteSorry, busy po kasi si tita Lea sa history ng US of A. LOL!
Delete@7:40am si Lea ba sinasagot mo? Natural alam nya kaya nga sinabi nyang MORE public. May issue ngayon ang Pardo de Taveras vs Juan Luna and his works. Kaya sya nagcomment ng ganyan sa nilabas na article ng Esquire Magazine. Ok ka na?
DeleteNope, hindi sya public at that time. di tinuro sa schools and universities namin. at least during our generation.
DeleteSisihin nyo mga liberals kasi puro martial law at mga "hero" daw na mga aquinos ang laging tinuturo sa PH history classes. LOL!
DeleteDoes it even matter? It’s history already.
ReplyDeletehahahahaha natawa ako dito. eh history naman talaga pinaguusapan about luna, pangit man o maganda.
DeleteKaloka si tita Lea... Ngayon lang nya nalaman that Luna committed murder? Pero malamang mas madami syang alam pag US history ang usapan ano? LMAO!
ReplyDeleteWhat funny about that 8:16. I even didnt know about this despite nakagraduate ako nung 2017. Meaning no schools will tell u or any students what luna what done, except for the spolarium which un lng ang lagi sinasabi s school.
DeleteUltimo nga yung si antonio lun (kapatid yta nya), hndi natuturo s skool. Nakilala lng sya gwa ng entitled movie nya
Paanong ituturo comprehensively yang part of history natin na yan eh pinalitan at tinambakan na nila ng history about Martial law, EDSA at mga aquino na mga "hero" daw natin. LMAO! Alam nyo na kung sino ang dapat sisihin.
DeleteMatagal ng public knowledge ito, nasa history books. Marami lang talaga ang sadyang hindi nagbabasa or nakikinig nun mga estudyante pa.
ReplyDeleteI have always admired Luna’s works, regardless of his temper. Doesn’t mean I condone his behavior. There are many artists like that (not justifying it, just stating a fact). Van Gogh, Edgar Allan Poe, to name a few.
Lewis Caroll and Pablo Neruda has their dark history din. Pero I think ihiwalay natin ang personal nilang buhay sa literary contributions nila.
DeleteExcuse me 8:34. Luna's dark side was never been taught to school. Schools only taught their student about his spolarium painting and thats all. Maliban nlng kung ang major mo is history. Kung hndi, hndi tlaga nman ito malalaman kung hndi lng kmi nagbasa ng other references outside ng school, eventhough hndi nman kmi required.
DeleteOur national heroes are no saints. They are called heroes not because of their morality
ReplyDeleteEnter your comment...1:38am kahapon ka lang ba pinanganak? Buti nga na i-witness pa yan ni howie way back years.
ReplyDeleteNgayon ko lang din to nalaman not because I didn't read way back, but because it was never taught in our school. Does not knowing this fact mean we are ignorant people? What if we just care more about English and Mathematics, that History went under the radar for some? Don't discredit people's knowledge/intelligence just because they don't know the only thing you can be proud of knowing.
DeleteTrue 11:35. I dont want people belittle me just because i didnt know something, even though im not required to know everything
Deletei think inire relate lang nya ang past and history with how things are going on right now.
ReplyDeletedi ba right now, there is an outright and a snap call for anyone labeled with acts of crime and abuse with boycott specifically those involved in the entertainment world and sports.
so ganun din ba tayo sa mga tao na altho had passed on and are part of old history, eh elevated into national artistry?
Pag ngayon nabubuhay si Juan Luna, mas maraming galit sa kanya kesa ipagmalaki ang talento niya.
ReplyDeleteAng hirap kasi sa atin we are so hung up on HEROES. Why can't he just be taught in schools as a great painter but then also tell people about his dark side. Hindi yung lahat may label. Eto National Hero eto Hero, hindi ba pare pareho lang sila ng pinaglalaban? A free Philippines?
ReplyDeleteIm not sure kung tinuturing si juan luna as a hero, since nung nagaaral p ako wla nman sinabi ang teacher ko.
DeleteLook, hindi man nila nilagay sa texbooks natin yan pero public knowledge yan ever since at walang nagtago ng info na yan. Hindi man sinulat sa books pero kinwento ng history teacher namin yan nuon. So ano bang gusto nyong mangyari kay Luna? I-erase natin sya sa history as if he never existed? Kaloka...
ReplyDelete