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Tuesday, December 1, 2015

Insta Scoop: Oyo Sotto Gets into a Discussion on Faith








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111 comments:

  1. Haaay yung ibang self proclaimed Christians. They grovel at everything Lolo Kiko does waiting for him to commit "mistakes". And when he does, they blow everything out of proportion without thoroughly scrutinizing the content of the messages imparted by The Holy Father.

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    1. Agree. What a bunch of know-it-alls. Sa mga ignorante kukuha ng impormasyon tapos kung makabanggit ng masusing pag-aaral, wagas. Hint: Be Ch

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    2. Hint: Be Christ-like before you call yourselves Christians. Kthxbye

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    3. Exactly! "Christians" daw sila, but they easily forget / choose to ignore the Golden Rule.

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    4. I RESPECT OYO's VIEW ON HIS FAITH. PERIOD.

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    5. Panay defend ni Oyo dito. Di nga siya busy. Maka hingi ng respect as if nirespeto niya din ang Pope by doing this and not doing his research. So funny oyo. Respect begets respect.

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    6. CAN YOU GUYS TELL ME? HOW DID FRANCIS BECOME HOLY? DID HE MEET GOD AND GOD BLESSED HIM? SERIOUS QUESTIONS LANG PO.

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    7. One problem I see with those posts in youtube is sometimes they are not complete and subject to misinterpretations.

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  2. Oo nga oyo medyo misleading yung post! Is even ur source a reliable one? Yung headline parang pang hoax site. Halatang anti pope. Whatever ur religion is, respect should be given to the pope. Wag ganito.

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    1. para sakin ang pinaka panget na source sa mga ganyan ay Youtube. Kaya natatawa na lang ako.

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    2. 12:04 you should be thankful Youtube is still around. dadating ang panahon mawawala yan. ILLuminati will cut the spread of information to the world just like Dark Ages. madami nga kalokohan na videos, but just like in anything merun din may mga sense yun ibang videos produced. dali lng i-search nun vid author kun hoax or credible on other Internet sources.

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  3. It does not really matter what faith you're in. Even if you're an Atheist so long as you treat others with respect and goodness, then that's the only thing that matters. Ang hirap sa iba masyadong self-righteous. Walk your talk.

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    1. Nope, I think I heard or read in some Christian forum that the judgement of those outside the faith will be harder than those inside. Just for example, you'd have 20%chance of being saved if you're not Christian, while 70%chance of being saved if you're Christian. Now do the math, choose wisely. Jesus is also God, part of Triune, we we're created in His image and likeness, the same way He would want us to be more like Him. Kaya He always says, He is the only way, the truth & the life. If we follow Him he guarantees our Salvation, but we must prove that we believe in Him and that's the remaining percentage left to secure of being Saved. I hope FP post this, Tnx.

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    2. @2:06 - paano kung Christian pero halang ang kaluluwa? Mas madali parin ba silang maja-judge kumpara sa mga non-Christians na mabait sa kapwa?

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    3. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

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    4. 1:04 am, i agree with you! Irregardless ur christian or not, pls. Respect each others faith.. Walang talo or panalo sa ganitong usapin..

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    5. hay naku anon 2:06am, katoliko ako pero naniniwala parin akong sa ginagawa ng tao nag-dedepende ang salvation mo, religion is just your guide. kahit pa simba ka ng simba para sabihing mabuti kang taga-sunod ng iyong relihiyon pero kung ang lumalabas namans a bibig mo eh puro reklamo at yong ginagawa mo sa kapwa mo eh hindi according sa tinuro ng iyong simbahan, eh hindi kaparin masasalba. kasi kahit ano pa ipakita mo sa mga tao, yong nasa loob mo parin ang importante, at doon ka i-ja-judge ni God.

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    6. wow @2:06 san mo nakuha yang mga percent percent na yan? hahaha. puyat lang yan, matulog ka na nga

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    7. @2:06 -if you believe in God because you think it's statistically safer to do so, God would know that part of you. Pascal's Wager is illogical.

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    8. 2:44 Then that is not Christian at all. You see, it is not just about proclaiming yourself as a Christian just because you think you have the knowledge of the scripture. That is just mere knowledge. These days kasi, very loose ang pag gamit ng term na yan. Basta ba non muslim, christian na. Nagiging mere branding na lang kasi. Being a Christian goes beyond that. Not even good works (not that it's a bad thing). You are saved by grace, leading you to a change of heart and understanding, leading you to fear the Lord (reverence), then you are bound to do good things for others to see what God has done in your life. Hindi na basta gumawa ng mabuti para maligtas kundi gumawa ka ng mabuti dahil ligtas ka and the things you do are fruits of the spirit. If you proclaim yourself as a Christian but you continue a life of sin, then you better do an inspection and ask yourself, "Am I really a Christian?".

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    9. anon 2:44AM, kahit pa sabihin ng isang tao na Christian siya, kung wala naman sa puso niya ang "repentance" eh wala rin, di rin siya masasave, kelangan if you receive Jesus in your life & have personal relationship with Him, kalakip din dapat nito ang repentance.

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  4. Pag usapang religion walang katapusang pagtatalo yan

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    1. Kulang pa si Oyo sa kaalaman, but it's nice he's doing his homework in searching about religious matters.
      Dali supalpalin nun nagsabi na Bible is a work of human hands and not credible. Commonsense, artifacts like written works are the only way for future to know what happened in the past. Just like written History. The older it is, verifiable, tampered-proof it is, credible authors it has, consistency of accounts, then it speaks the truth. The Bible is the only way to understand this incarnated God called Jesus Christ of History.

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    2. agree anon 2:14AM!

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    1. Wahahah... Ang relihiyon ko si God. Period. Lahat ng simbahan dito puro business lang, pera pera lang, walang exemption. Igles1@ nga nasa news may money laundering case. Ineeroplano pera sa Cayman at Switzerland. Oh di ba ala Marcos lang

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    2. Relihiyon mo si God? Bakit judgemental ka

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    3. 5:59. Oo si God ang sinasamba ko, hindi kung sinong tao o anong relihiyon.. Sikat na naman ang relihiyon mo nasa news... Hindi iyon opinyon, facts iyung binanggit ko... Butthurt na naman kayo paano na lang kapag pumasok na IRS, America na iyun, lagot

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  6. omg. super pain when over zealous christians take people's words out of context and then start quoting the Bible. um oyo, may matalino ka namang half sister diba? out of RESPECT for yourself, paexplain mo nalang sa kanya ang homily.

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  7. Hindi busy si kuya

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    1. Hindi naman talaga. Kelan kaya siya magkakamovie na hindi bida ang tatay niya? Sino ba naman kasi ang humawak sa career nya at napakawalang kwenta

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    2. Masyado sya focused sa pananampalataya nya kasi sustentado naman sya ni Bossing. Dependent for life sa tatay nya.

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    3. Pinakabatang pensyonado ganern

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    4. Parang kayo? Di rin busy sa buhay, trabaho ay mangutya ng tao.

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    5. korek, parehas sila ng asawa niya na hindi busy kaya makipag argue abt religion ang ginagawang hobby, sa IG pa, kaloka!

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    6. Catholic si Bossing diba? So kung ililiteral din namin ang pananaw na tulad nyong self righteous Christians (daw) di s'ya maliligtas? Hindi ba mas anti-christ yung pagiging judgemental oyo? At bakit ka umaasa sa isang Catholic, matanong ko Lang?

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    7. Bakit 6:02 si Oyo and family lang ba may karapatang maging di busy at pensiyonado?

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    8. Wag mainggit...mayaman kasi eh...malay nstin may business siya...wala na tayo pakialam kung sustntsdo ni bossing..atleast kahit maraming anak si bossing nagagampanan niya ung tungkulin niya...

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  8. Oyo, ikaw ang magresearch. The video was an excert not the full homily delivered by lolo Kiko. It's so silly of you to believe a statement taken out of context.
    And your insensitive post promotes misunderstanding. You dare demand respect yet your post itself is disrespectful.

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  9. aware si oyo na marami babatikos sa kanya because of his post kaya may disclaimer agad. it's just sad iba pagkakaintindi nya sa homily ni Pope Francis. natural mag rereact followers nya. negative tuloy dating nya.

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    1. Ang hirap sa ibang youtube post about the pope talagang mini mislead ang tao at pinapalabas na masama ang pope. May napanood akong video na sinabi daw ni pope na god si lucifer. Eh mali naman yung translation. The pope was quoting the bible in latin and lucifer means morning star which is attributed to Jesus.

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  10. Nakakalurks yung isang makapagkumbinsi nah wag daw magrely sa Bible kasi edited nah daw ang bible at ang Quran hinde. Yan ang hirap eh. As much as we want to respect other faith eh sila din naman hindi rumerespeto satin. Bakit nandun ba xa nung ginawa both bible? Eye witness ba xa?? Kalurks. Ang kahinaan naman nating mga christian eh iisa nah nga tayong naniniwala kay Lord Jesus eh may ibat iba pang mga nagooppose nah kesyo may ganito ganyan. Kakaloka kayong lahat. Nagpapatayan dahil kay Jesus. Inevitable yan guys. Even Jesus said, Matthew 24:5, research nyo nalang. Wag nalang makipagtalo pa dahil gulo lang talaga ang aabutin ng ganyang topic. Ang root ng di matapos nah gyera at hatred sa mundo ay ang religion. Just rely on your faith.

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    1. Ang bible ay galing sa sinulat ng mga apostol ss orihinal na sulat kamay na matatagpuan sa library sa uk. May mganagoasalin salin ng version at yun iba ay hinde sinasadya na medyo malayo ang interpretasyon at yun iba na masama ay talagang binago para kumiling sa paniniwala nila. Pero sa bible makikita ang katotohanan, dahil ang mga bagay na nakasulat dun ay pinatotohanan ng arkiyolohiya ng me matagpuan na salaping ginagamit dati na may pangalang ceasar na naisulat sa bibliya ilang libong taon na ang nakakaraan at madami pang ibang ebidensya. Kailangan lamang magsuri walang masama dito. Pero ang bibliya ang katotohanan dahil may patunay ito ng syensya, historya at arkiyolohiya. Hinde ang mga sabi sabi lang ng mga tao.

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    2. If you're a Christian, here's how to defend it. Quran was made 600years after the happenings in Christian Bible. Sa palumaan na lng, mas credible ang Bible. It's like Christians are already building Empires, while the Quran was just being formulated. But as Christian, we'll not discriminate them for being Muslims, but we tell them in their face the wrong things they believe and practice, then let them decide. You tell them out of care, but not humiliation.

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    3. Totoo naman sinabi moh 1:50 kaso wala atang relate sa sinabi ni 1:13

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    4. @2:22 so kung mas luma mas credible? Basahin mo yung Bible from start to finish, tapos share mo ulit paniniwala mo dyan kthxbye

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  11. I don't like to argue about religion. But I believe that God, our Creator is not Jesus. Walang nakakita sa Dios, kung anong kanyang kawangis, unlike Jesus. Ng ipinako si Jesus and was stoned he even asked "Ama bakit mo ko pinabayaan?" Jesus is pertaining to God.

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    1. Jesus is the Son of God, so He is God. yup, not the same as the Father, but the same characteristics.

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    2. Tama ka @1:14. Jesus and God are not the same. Jesus prayed to God esp before He was crucified. Jesus preached God's laws no more no less. When He was baptized in Jordan river, clouds opened, voice was heard " This is my beloved Son with whom I am pleased". People needs to understand that Jesus' death was a sacrifice, He was crucified because of preaching God's words, and that whoever believes in Jesus' teachings , meaning apply it to our everyday lives , will have eternal life. At dahil sa matinding sakripisyo na ginawa ni Jesus for the humankind sabi ni God, "I will make you King of kings, You will rule overall the earth", pero may kondisyon yan, sabi ni God "according to My will and commandments". Mangyayari ang lahat ng Ito sa Tamang Panahon. Be prepared everyone... I am personally a trying- hard Jesus' follower, I prayed to God the father , hirap kaya magpakabait lagi buti na Lang merong tinatawag na 'Forgiveness from God'.

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    3. Magresearch ka sa Holy Trinity

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    4. 2:24 He is not God but He's Human ginawa lang siyang instrument ni God kaya nakakagawa siya ng miracles. tama si 1:14 AM nagprapray rin si Jesus kasi hindi siya Diyos kundi may Diyos siya at yun ang nagiisang Diyos natin lahat.

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  12. You've taken it out of context, Oyo Boy. Para sa akin, a layperson, for as long as the world sins, people kill one another and there is no peace, the cross and His death is truly a failure.

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    1. It is a failure for those who are hopeless and thinks it failed, but dont speak for those who Hope and believe.

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    2. The finished work on the Cross is victory for humankind. God never fails. Jesus never fails hence the work on the Cross is never a failure.

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  13. Ang sagot ng hindi kayang makipag-argue. Ikaw ang mag-research muna Oyo.

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    1. Mas okay nang di makapag argue than not knowing what the truth is.

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  14. aba nabulag na rin pala ng mga bulaang propeta itong si oyo! SMH......

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    1. At anong tingin mo sa sarili mo?

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    2. eh ikaw ano bang pinaniniwalaan mo 6:07?

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    3. hindi ako naniniwala sa kung sinu-sinong bulaang nagke-claim ng mga interpretation ng bible verses 6:07! ang interpretation ng bible verses ay hindi word for word kundi in context.

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  15. Hay naku Oyo Boy! tsk! tsk! tsk! Nahahalata tuloy ng karamihan kung gaano ka-low ang IQ at EQ mo. Napaka shallow mo talaga oo!

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    1. Panong naging basis yan ng intelligence? Ikaw ang shallow

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    2. Dahil kung matalino kang tao, sisiguraduhin mo muna ang sasabihin mo bago ka magsalita. Intiendes, 6:08?

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  16. It's not about the bits and pieces, it's the entirety of the message. Ang hilig kasing kumuha ng kapirasong part, ni hindi sinama lahat.

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  17. nagmamarunong kasi hindi muna mag research before posting. At the end of discussion, wala ka ng masabi kundi #Respect...

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  18. He should have researched first and look for full transcript of that homily. That video was edited to make it look like the pope is saying that Jesus' death on the cross was a failure. Think before you click.

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  19. Oyo is always trying to be scholarly, but fails every time.

    Oyo, before posting this type of message, verify the facts and translation first. You question the Pope as if the Pope is the one spreading falsity of the meaning and essence of the Cross, and the Death of Jesus.

    Just because you flaunt yourself as a Bible reader doesn't mean that you know every pages and interpretation of it.

    Think before posting. Tsk!

    Lastly, Pope Francis is even inviting all forms of religion to be united as one in spreading the Word of God. With this kind of post, you insinuate hate and false information.

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    1. Nadale mo baks to the extreme. Clap, Clap, Clap

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  20. post kasi ng post na hindi muna iniintindi yung kabuuan ng homily. he fixated himself on one sentence and never really listened through the whole thing. may research research pa syang nalalaman, e mukang hindi rin naman nya ginawa yung pinagsasabi nya.

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  21. I won't generalize but there some Christians who think that because they got some bible verses bookmarked or memorized, that they know everything. I was a former born again Christian and that holier-than-thou, and my beliefs are the ones that are right attitude is such a turn off. They think that they're the only ones who will be saved. Mga sarado ang isip sa pov ng ibang tao.

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    1. Ang problema sa ibang born again christians masyadong naglilinis-linisan at nagdudunungdunungan. Akala mo wala na ginawang mali. I have friends who converted to born again and talagang nakakairita sila. It's like they'd be all amiable to you and ask you to attend some 'party' or 'get together' to meet new friends yun pala they'd just shove their beliefs into your throat. Kokornerin ka lang para magconvert sa pananampalataya nila.

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    2. You know why, because they get brownie points to their "heaven" if they are able to convert people and become born again christians like them. Sa experience ko, wala pa along kilalang nag convert na born again christian na matino ang past nila. Lahat ng kilala ko ang sasama ng mga nakaraan nila. Ano, feeling nila pag nag convert sila from catholic to born again, malinis na mga kaluluwa nila? Burado agad and dark pasts nila? Hindi lang yon, mga feeling righteous pa ang mga peg. I really find it hypocrite, sorry.

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    3. If it was shoved in your throat then they did it wrong. But if you felt in your heart that convicted you, then there must be really something wrong in what you do/believe into.

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    4. I agree. I know some born-again/protestant who act the same. And i hate it when they call themselves christians exclusively and refer to others as non-believers.

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    5. Truth baks! Yung tatay ng anak ko na iniwan kami Born-Again Christian panay send ng mga kung ano anong bible verses sakin pero kitams ginawa, iniwan sakin buong responsibilidad sa bata at nagpapaka sasa mangbabae ubod pa ng sinungaling. Wala sa belief yan, nasa pag uugali talaga. Kahit gaano mo kamemorize ang bible kung hindi ka talaga takot sa Diyos, wala rin,

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    6. kaya nga anon 3:13 lalo na sa fb pg may pinost ka sandamakmak na bible verses I-comment at advice sayo. Kaya di mo maiwasan na maraming naiinis sa knila

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    7. Hindi ko alam na Born Again is one of those religion who thinks only they could be saved. Irita ako sa mga ganyan religion, sasabihin na ang interpretation nila ang tama. I'm not a religious person pero I see the bible as a guide book rather than taking all the stories before the new testament literally. The bible has been revised several times whether it's for translation or the stories are different from person to person, kasi back then people shared stories verbally rather than written.

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    8. basta ako hindi ako naniniwala sa isang rehiliyon kailangan magshare ng money. yes nasa bible un katulad ng sinasabi nila pero for what? mas gusto ko gastusin ang 10% ng sahod at ipakain sa mga pulubi or pumunta sa orphanage. ung lola ko nga sarap buhay ng pastor nila sila ng babayad ng bahay ilaw tubig at kung anu anu pa galing sa 10% share nila. so pano ko paniniwalaan ang rehiliyon nila. mabuti pa sa katoliko kahit wala kang pera pede ka magsimba wala paki sayo kung magbigay ka o hindi. oo hindi ganun kasolemn ang misa sa katoliko siguro dahil sobrang dami na din kc ng tao kada mass pero depende padin kc sa tao yan. like for me baclaran church talaga ang simbahan nakakaramdam ako ng peace. isa pa hindi din naman rehiliyon ang makakapagsalba sa tao. un eh kung paano ka namuhay sa mundo. kaya nakakasar ang ganyan post dahil may kanya kanya tayo pananaw kaya as much as possible hindi na dapat ngpopost ng ganyan dahil isang mahabang debate yan.

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  22. WALA NINUMAN SA MUNDONG ITO ANG PUPUNTA SA LANGIT KUNG MAY LANGIT NGA DAHIL PARE-PAREHO TAYONG MAKASALANAN!!!

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    1. yes, ganyan nga but Jesus died on the cross to make a way for us sinners to get to heaven or to be saved. may kanya kanya tayong paniwala pero it seems all is geared towards a positive ending kaya yung statement mo is definitely not true

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  23. oyo di mo na naisip na kahit iba religion mo, catholics still follow you on IG. yet you post something like this enticing your catholic followers to react negatively, just because you fail to understand the homily

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    1. Just bcos you failed to understand his point doesn't mean he's wrong. Ikaw na nagsabi, iba ang beliefs nya, may pumilit ba sayo mag follow?

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    2. im not following him, sorry.

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  24. Mana kay tito sen lol

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  25. hindi ako relihiyosa, hindi din ako nagbabasa ng bibliya at inaamin ko na hindi ako santa at marami akong mga kamaliang nagawa pero alam ko sa sarili at puso ko na may Diyos at naniniwala ako sa kanya..no need ng makipagdebate kung tama ba yung nasa bibliya or edited... mas naiinis ako sa mga nagpapakarelihiyoso/relihiyosa pero kung maka.judge sa ibang tao, wagas...

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    1. Ang pagiging inis mo teh hindi ba pagja-judge din yan, at parang wagas din...

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    2. Ang daming plastik. Akala mo kung sinong banal porke memorized ang bible from cover to cover.

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    3. 3:03 affected ka masyado te?isa ka ba dun sa nagpapakarelihiyoso/relihiyosa pero kung mka.judge sa ibang tao wagas? sinabi ko bang lahat?eh sa may mga ganyan talaga eh, wag tayong denial sa katotohanan...

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    4. me din 2:07 ayoko nung mga rehiliyosong feeling masyado banal pero kung makipagchismisan at pagusap ng ibang buhay ay hala!

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  26. Kristine H has made similar posts. While I am all for the idea that they are putting their position to use, wag naman sana about a topic like this. Because arguments about these topics will never end. I understand their intentions because there are a lot of things in this world that we are misinformed about, but if they want to put their position to good use and inform their followers about something, charity related na lang and the likes.

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  27. Ganyan talaga basta walang career, daming time at hugot. The man can't stand on his own, laging nakakabit sa shows ng tatay nya. His roles and acting's sooo umay na paulit-ulit! haha. Oyo uy... pwede ba ipa.acting mo ulit si Kristine? Payagan mo na please, miss na namin sya, and she's not getting any younger!

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  28. Dear Mr. Oyo, please refrain from posting religious comments as it might create confusion and havoc amongst different religions. To each his own. Peace!

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    1. Yun na nga nangyari. Nang aaway na yung isang born again dun na know it all at swlf righteous. And he seems to be enjoying it. Very contradictory to his peg of being a religious person.

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  29. ang sarap naman basahin ng comments dito. marami ako natututunan. more! more!

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  30. At first glance, parang SEO yung YT video, ang raming annotations left and right, the kind you know was made to elicit a negative reaction. I'm not so keen on engaging in "My religion is the best" sort of debate esp kung batuhan na ng Bible verses dahil hindi ko siya namemorize nuh. I read the Bible like literature, mas maiintindihan mo ang context of the passages and avoid cherry picking verses to suit your convenience.

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  31. Nagmamagaling si Oyo, irespeto nyo! hahahahah

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  32. He is asking for respect e oanong respect ba ang gusto nyae ung topuicna inopen nya e very sensitive. The people just gave their opinion in a way to give him more research in order to understand the popes message. Dapat ba tanggap lng ng tao lahat ng post nya para respect ang tingin nya?

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  33. Hanap ka muna ng work, only then will people respect you.

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  34. Jesus is God! 100% God and 100% human! He was sent here on Earth born of a virgin through the Holy Spirit and died on the cross to save us from "eternal death" (in hell/eternal separation to God). THE ONLY WAY TO GET SAVED IS FAITH THROUGH JESUS CHRIST AND REPENTANCE FROM OUR SINS AS WELL! NOTHING ELSE, NO ONE ELSE! Not on good works, traditions, sacraments, etc. ONLY THROUGH JESUS CHRIST!

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  35. Jesus is God! 100% God and 100% human! He was sent here on Earth born of a virgin through the Holy Spirit and died on the cross to save us from "eternal death" (in hell/eternal separation to God). THE ONLY WAY TO GET SAVED IS FAITH THROUGH JESUS CHRIST AND REPENTANCE FROM OUR SINS AS WELL! NOTHING ELSE, NO ONE ELSE! Not on good works, traditions, sacraments, etc. ONLY THROUGH JESUS CHRIST!

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  36. Buhay si Jesus! He is in heaven right now, after He died sa cross, on the 3rd day He rose again and ascended to heaven. Bakit kelangan pa ng mga pari o pope? Ano, for "representation to God"?? Eh anjan na nga si Jesus eh BUHAY NA BUHAY! HE IS THE CHIEF PRIEST! A bridge to our God Almighty!

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    1. hello kahit buhay pa si Hesus may mga kasama na syang propeta na katulong nya sa pagpapalaganap ng salitang ng Diyos.

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    2. but anon 12:52AM, they are only called apostles/disciples, NOT PRIESTS! Iba pa ang priests sa apostles or disciples. Sa Bible isa lang ang tinawag na priest dun sa New Testament, si Jesus Christ as CHIEF PRIEST, meaning TAGA-PAMAGITAN KAY GOD!

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  37. Daming di kumikilala dito kay Jesus as God! Grabe, His second coming is very near na talaga!

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    1. Pero he is the son of God. Why would he look up and say Father forgive them, if he can do it himself. Of course he is Holy pero in general ang they are one doesnt means they are the same person. Comprehension 101 ang kaliangan mo kasi Jesus never claimed God, God is his father whom he prayed to in the garden before he was crucified.

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  38. talk is cheap. walk the walk, di lang talk ng talk. nakalagay din sa bible 'don't get into useless discussions'. love, a fellow born-again

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  39. Ok rin to ah. Open a very sensitive topic, then pag ni engage mo sa discussion, puro 'mag research ka, i respect you so you should also respect me'. Anong nakaka respect sa ginawa mo? Yun bang mag post ka ng nakaka offend na topic, o yung ayaw mong ma bash ka kaya puro 'respect' ang sinasabi mo? Eh ikaw ba, nire respeto mo opinyon ng iba? Feeling mo ikaw nang tama, kaya nga pinagre research mong mga tao kasi sila ang mali. Tsk tsk

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  40. Recruitment time na naman ba?

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