(Ignorance of the Law Excuses no one from compliance)
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Source: www.hivsymptomsinmen.info
Mr. Abelardo O. Licudan Jr (aka Abe Licudan),
Greetings!
I am one of the persons you have insulted in your comment “MADAMING AIDA DYAN HAHAHA”, this being said authorizes me to write an open letter for you and the rest of people like you.
I have learned from your twitter account @abenextdoor that attached after your name is two letters, MD. Hence, I would like to call your attention by reminding you of the General Principles of your Code of Ethics under Sec. 1 Art. 1 (Philippine Medical Association), which states “The primary objective of the practice of medicine is service to mankind irrespective of race, age, disease, disability, gender, sexual orientation, social standing, creed or political affiliation. xxx”
There are several more provisions of your Code of Ethics that you have violated through your tasteless remark. It is beyond the bounds of possibility that a young professional like you would forget the most basic duty being demanded to you by your profession.
I am not a linguist, but I am in a profession that demands a lot of readings and construction of words. In consideration of the language you have used, it is apparent that you were warning the other guy for people infected with HIV and AIDS roaming around JP Morgan Chase & Co. I don’t know how to properly address you, I cannot stomach calling you, your title, for your negligence to consider the foremost principle you have to be always reminded that is – not to discriminate.
Basing from your act of subconsciously leaving such remark, you are not capable to uphold the demands of the profession you have chosen. Again, I’m calling your attention to Sec. 2 Art. 1 of your Code of Ethics, which states, “A physician assumes the obligation of maintaining the honorable tradition that confers the well-deserved title of a friend of mankind.” From the foregoing facts, you failed to adhere to your call of duty to be a friend of mankind. Can you keep up with other Doctors who knows how to treat people like me infected with HIV better than the way you have treated us with your one liner comment?
I am not in the medical profession, but I know that my condition is a chronic disease; hence, it is a serious matter. It is an issue being addressed by the United Nations, World Health Organization, and our Government per se. If you are not aware as you’ve been apparently busy with other matters, that you even failed to review your Code of Ethics, Philippines today has one of the most alarming numbers in the increase as to HIV infection as per data collected by the Department of Health for the Month of May.These facts being said, I don’t know where to place your ignorance for a very delicate matter that you choose to laugh at considering you are in the medical profession.
MADAMING AIDA DYAN HAHAHA
(Indirect Translation: There are a lot of people with AIDS out there.)
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Now, let me call your attention with our laws. Your comment was made under someone else’s profile who mentioned that he was in JP Morgan Chase & Co., then you said “MADAMING AIDA DYAN HAHAHA.” Even a grade one student would understand that what you were saying was this “JP MORGAN CHASE & CO., is a den for people with AIDS.” I don’t know where you got your data on this, but mind you, this comment under our law is tantamount to a criminal liability under Art 360 of the Revised Penal Code, it states that “Any person who shall PUBLISH, EXHIBIT, or cause the PUBLICATION or EXHIBITION of ANY DEFAMATION IN WRITING or by similar mean shall be responsible for the same. xxx”
There four essential elements of libel, namely: (1) The imputation must be defamatory; (2) The imputation must be made publicly; (3) The imputation must be malicious; and (4) The person defamed must be identifiable. All of which are present in the libelous remark you made in social networking.
If truth be told, that it was a joke, there can be no better title to address you than this A DENSE MINDED MEDICAL GRADUATE, until then, you’re just that. I don’t know you personally but basing from your ostentatious sense of humor I doubt if you deserve to be called a Doctor. You may earn your license or you may have it by now, but that does not align you from the likes of the Doctors who have been working hard for people like me and who have protected, sheltered, and defended us from people like you.
I cannot fathom the idea of entrusting our lives much more our society’s health welfare to you and the rest of your breed. But more than my fright of entrusting my life to you is the fear that your ignorance can no longer be cured because despite and regardless the years you have spent in the academe about our condition you neglected to recognize the intricacy of our condition. You have failed to understand and empathize to the labyrinthine disease that you merely referred as “AIDA.”
If in any way, you’ll escape through the legal causes of your actions, I bet that you won’t escape the horror of that day you made this single mistake of addressing our condition in an inappropriate manner.
Abe, I am an HIV-Positive, there is no cure for my disease, but I humbly ask you to cure your ignorance through proper education. Transcend more than what is written. People living with HIV are humans just like you, we have emotions as well, we get hurt, vulnerable, and people die due to complications brought by our condition. I am writing this open letter on behalf of those who have died due to aids related diseases.
I hope that one day, you’ll cross the bridge and choose to be enlightened rather than being left inside the box of ignorance that kills people like me.
Respectfully calling your attention to #EndStigma
Posit Bo,
Five-Month Old HIV-Positive
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papaano kung nde sya doctor? nde mo sya pupulisin?
ReplyDeletehindi po sya liable, kasi commentary lang yun, pero kun sya mismo nag-publish ng article in formal publications while naming names, dun pede. Just consider his act as kwentong barbero, ang maniwala shunga. but his attention could be called by Phil Med Asso, for warning.
DeleteHonestly this is OA. No gradeschool student would get that remark. I only knew it from beki friends. Either guilty ka or sensitive ka lang. Matagal ng naririnig na madami may AIDS sa call center pero if you are not promiscous and you practice safe wherever you are working ma mention man yan o hindi there is no reason to be affected unless u know someone na infected or ikaw mismo either way karapatan nya magreact he was teasing a friend.
DeleteWhoooa ang lalim ng hugot ng sender
ReplyDeleteIkaw kaya magkaroon ng sakit na wala pang lunas, hindi din ba lalalim hugot mo? Nakaksakit yung sinabi ng doc ha
DeleteJP Morgan & Chase pa talaga....hindi na kataka taka...
DeleteKung ita translate sa mas diretso at brutal na statement yung sinabi ni doc Abe at Hindi pabiro eh Ganito ibig sabihin niyan:
DeleteDaming Baks jan kaya talamak Aida jan! Kuta ng mga Baks yang JP MORGAN & CHASE!
So sensitive the letter sender! Maybe it is offensive but at least people working there are warned to practice safe s*x!
DeletePalibhasa hindi mo pinagdadaanan yung sakit niya. Yabang mo.
DeleteDapat pa-imbestigahan ng JP Morgan Chase yung doctor na yan for implying that their establishment is a den of people with AIDS. Irresponsible and ignorant yung doctor na yan.
DeleteDoc, wag ka sana magkaroon ng kaibigan, pamilya, o ikaw ng STD like AIDS.
di ko rin alam ang stats, pero yong mga doctors kasi usually alam talaga nila kung nasan ang mga may kaso ng hiv/aids. mukhang nadulas si doc at naprint pa. pag may hiv ka kasi tini-trace nila kung saan mo posibleng nakuha, so ayon. yong isang doctor na kilala ko nabanggit niya ang isnag sikat na gym naman. siguro parang center ng web, kaya na-identify na marami doon.
DeleteAng drama ng dalawang to. Manahimik kayo! Daming problema ng bayan.
ReplyDeleteMalaking problema din ang hiv just u know
DeleteProblema din ng bayan yan. Discrimination. Actually problema ng buong mundo yan eh. Just because it's not your problem eh ibig sabihin di na sya problema ng iba.
Deletehay naku. despite all their training, insensitive pa rin mga doktor
ReplyDeleteHe didn't really reply as a doctor but jokingly as a friend.
Deleteit was a tacky response given his profession.
Delete1:38, his reply as a friend should have been an enlightened one considering that he is a doctor
DeleteDefend pa more 1.38. Regardless of whether he replied as a doctor or as friend, it's still not appropriate to post that comment.
DeleteEh sa madami naman talagang Aida dyan noh. Eh ang tanong, alam kaya ni Lorna o ni Fe ang ganap dyan?
ReplyDeleteLMAO dismissed na si AIDA!
DeleteJeez pati ganon na comment, gagawan ng issue. Sobrang sensitive naman ata ng mga tao ngayon. kaloka.
ReplyDeleteDoctor kasi sya. He should have known better than mediocre minds who keep saying ok lang laitin ang mga taong may ganyang sakit.
DeleteKawawa naman etong tao na 'to. Di marunong makaintindi.
Deletetrue. konting kibot lang social media agad. i understand it is to raise awareness that people should be more sensitive in making comments pero minsan parang naaabuso na social media to the point na parang ang dating eh ma cyberbully yung tao
DeleteHave the comforts of life desensitized us from seeing the bigger issue of this incident with Dr. Licudan?
DeleteDoes a doctor cease to be a doctor when he is off-duty? Or with friends? Or when he's on Social Media? What does the Hippocratic Oath mean to Dr. Licudan? Was it merely a requirement he recited upon graduation from medical school? What of those of us, who are not doctors, but have enough in life, what responsibility do we have to elevate awareness for incurable infectious diseases?
Ipa-revoke kaya lisensya nito sa PRC?
ReplyDeleteOA
DeleteAng comment ng isang doctor ay sadyang nakaksakit lalo na kung pagtatawanan ang isang taong hundi ninais magkasakit ng HIV ngunit kasabay sana kung paano mo lninais na ma educate lahat ng tao about sa sakit/ sitwasyon at paghihirap ng may ganyang karamdaman e mas ma educate ang lahat at mas maintindihan ng lahat ang mga paraan para hundi makakuha/ mahawa ng nasabing sakit. Sabi nga prevention is better than cure, pero mas masakit ang hindi na nga magamot e pagtatawanan ka pa rin.
ReplyDeleteAng operasyon din masakit...
DeleteAng operasyon, isang beses lang... do you have any idea how hard it is to live a life with HIV?
Deletei cannot blame posit bo to react on the sensitive with the issue pero sobrang oa naman ang reaction.
ReplyDeleteFive month positive pa lang sya so baka sensitive pa rin ang issue sa kanya but I agree medyo OA ang sagot ni Bo.
DeleteSi letter-sender pa ang OA? Baka nosebleed ka lang. Para simple, look up Moral Values.
Delete2:04 look up ka din. Redundant lang? Moral na, value pa?
Deletethe doctor should be more careful and more sensitive in commenting next time. lesson learned na yan. I understand na nasaktan yung letter sender. However, he should have talked to the DOCTOR directly and raised his CONCERN. Pinost nya yung picture with the doctor's full name, with of course, the intention na IPAHIYA din yung doctor. Posit Bo should have known better.
DeleteHindi biro magkasakit ng walang lunas. Mahirap para sa may ganyang sakit ang makarinig o makabasa ng ganyan kahit joke.
DeleteMoral values? Hahaha! Don't use words you don't understand. The guy was really OA.
DeleteE bat ba kasi nagkasakit si letter sender?
DeleteAnon 1:35 AM, HindiAkoSiLetterSender
DeleteO.A? Try to get HIV para malaman nyo hindi OA ang reaction nya...
Try lang daw... Alamin nyo muna kung pano ang buhay ng isang may HIV...
"but mind you, this comment under our law is tantamount to a criminal liability under Art 360 of the Revised Penal Code, it states that “Any person who shall PUBLISH, EXHIBIT, or cause the PUBLICATION or EXHIBITION of ANY DEFAMATION IN WRITING or by similar mean shall be responsible for the same. xxx”
ReplyDeleteThere four essential elements of libel, namely: (1) The imputation must be defamatory; (2) The imputation must be made publicly; (3) The imputation must be malicious; and (4) The person defamed must be identifiable. All of which are present in the libelous remark you made in social networking."
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The statement by the doctor cannot be considered libelous under our Revised Penal Code.
Let me direct you to this jurisprudence laid down by the Supreme Court of the Philippines:
Under Article 353 of the Revised Penal Code of the Philippines, libel is defined as a public and malicious imputation of a crime, or of a vice or defect, real or imaginary, or any act, omission, condition, status or circumstance tending to discredit or cause the dishonor or contempt of a natural or juridical person, or to blacken the memory of one who is dead. Thus, the elements of libel are: (a) imputation of a discreditable act or condition to another; (b) publication of the imputation; (c) identity of the person defamed; and, (d) existence of malice. [Daez v. Court of Appeals, G.R. No. 47971, 31 October 1990, 191 SCRA 61, 67]
On the other hand, to satisfy the element of identifiability, it must be shown that at least a third person or a stranger was able to identify him as the object of the defamatory statement. In the case of Corpus vs. Cuaderno, Sr. (16 SCRA 807) the Supreme Court ruled that “in order to maintain a libel suit, it is essential that the victim be identifiable (People vs. Monton, L-16772, November 30, 1962), although it is not necessary that he be named (19 A.L.R. 116).” In an earlier case, the high court also declared that” … defamatory matter which does not reveal the identity of the person upon whom the imputation is cast, affords no ground of action unless it be shown that the readers of the libel could have identified the personality of the individual defamed.” (Kunkle vs. Cablenews-American and Lyons 42 Phil. 760).
Maraming Salamat po dito sa info atty Aida! Or Atty Lorna? Or atty Alma?! Topakcio kayo ba Ito?!
Deleteobviously, the sender isnt a lawyer so the compelexities of the law is not known to him. I guess when he needs a legal opinion or should he intends to file a case, then he might find out that a libel case is baseless.
DeleteNo offense, I'm a PhD but I have no idea what aida meant. My tita's name is also Aida.
ReplyDeleteAida = AIDS
DeleteAida = nuno sa punso o duwende
DeleteMe too. I only learned that it is the new term. I think you cannot file a case against him as it is a very vague term and is not explained explicitly. Im not a lawyer so correct me if Im wrong.
Deletewell tama naman si Doc. maraming Aida talaga dun…PERO
ReplyDeleteMalas mo lang Doctor ka. wala kang karapatang maging judgemental.
Ngayon, kung kanto boy ka lang, siguro pede ka mang asar ng ganyan ka vulgar. (pero hindi excuse yun para sa kanto boy ha)
Ang point lang, kapag doctor ka, you are supposedly more understanding and not ignorant,
TOMO! doktor ka kasi, mas may alam at may pinag aralan ka.
DeleteNasan na amg freedom of expression?
ReplyDeleteFreedom of Expression talaga inilaban mo 12:14
DeleteBut being free gives us or gives you to be irresponsible with your actions and words? Girl, I don't think so.
DeleteNasan ang utak mo Anon 12:41?
DeleteUgh.
This is a very serious matter and JPM is not a kind of BANK to mess around with. I wanna see how this plays out.
ReplyDeletefrom a competitor Bank
Yeah, I hope JPM calls this MD out.
DeleteTo the letter sender, if you want this doctor to be punished you can have him suspended by filing a formal complaint better if there are other HIV patients na magrereklamo kasi nga as you said labag yang sinabi niya sa code of ethics ng mga doctors. Lastly pwedeng idemanda siya mismo ng JP morgan sa sinabi nya nakakadumi ng pangalan ng company considering na kilala talaga sila
ReplyDeleteMedyo oa...
ReplyDeletenursing grad ako, pero nahiya ako sa balat ko nung, may nakilala akong posit, natakot ako matalsikan ng laway niya. Stigma got me. And yun mga kaibigan ko, naging laughing stock namin. But then I realized, hindi nakakatawa, kailangan natin sila intindhin at kailangan natin maging mas educated pagdating sa sakit na ito. Hindi lang alam ng iba satin, nasa 33M na ang bilang ng posit dito sa bansa. Anyone can have it. Gusto ko din mag sorry kung naging joke namin ang pusit pusit dati. Sorry from the bottom of my heart, though wla ako sinabhan directly, and ngayon bumabawi ako by educating other people too to help end the stigma.
ReplyDeleteAs far as i know you can get this either thru blood transfer or intercourse. I know hindi nakakahawa if madikit ka but are there other ways?
Delete33M? Where did you get that info? 100M ang population ng Pilipinas. Ibig mo bang sabihin, 33% ng population natin ay hiv+?
DeleteGood Job 12:45...
DeleteAre you serious? 33M? About 1/3 of the county's population?
DeleteOA ng 33M. one in every three, ganern?
DeleteBaka naman three million, not 33 million.
Deletekaloka naman ang 33M aahaha, last time i read DOH said that they're are just 23T.
DeleteHmmnnn... Grabe naman ang sender na ito, para bang biktima sya ng sakit nya. We all know what are the causes to acquire that disease... Si doc pa ang masama...though me pagka insensitive ang comment but it.s also a warning. As for the data maaring sa profile ng mga patients ng hospital nila nya nakuha
ReplyDeleteCguro hindi lang naman natin dapat iapply ito sa isang HIV patient but privacy pa din kasi yun ng pasyente kahit ano pa ang maging sakit niya
DeleteAnon 12:48 Alam mo ang cause to acquire the disease? Enlighten me kasi nga parang hindi mo alam at ganyan ang comment mo...
DeleteWhile Posit Bo created HIV and AIDS awareness over this post, I think he was TOO enraged to call out Abe Licudan over his bitchy, but nonetheless private, comment ("Madaming aida dyan!").
ReplyDeleteThat being said, does Posit Bo had the right to call out Abe Licudan for a post that was said in a private conversation?
Given that Abe Licudan is in such a profession, bawal na ba syang mag-joke around with his friends? Should we all get offended, and gain the right to sue libel, whenever something distasteful offends us?
exactly. It was a conversation between friends. Doctors are humans too. Yan din naisip ko, hindi na ba sila pwede mag bitaw ng inside joke especially between friends?
DeleteExactly!!! Instead na ignore na lang mga tao, lalo pang pag-uusapan. Instead na maka-generate ng compassion o ng pag-intindi, ang dami tuloy naggagalit, nagiging divisive. Saka private comment nung Doc Abe yun, why bring it publicly, di ba nag-contribute ka sa pagpapalaki ng issue na non-issue naman talaga dapat? Stupid move, makapagtalak lang kasi.
DeleteB*bo. Obviously it's not a private conversation.
DeleteYes, you have a point. Lalo na his comment was taken from a private conversation. Di naman nya pingalandakan pero ang problem yung kausap nya trinaydor sha.
DeleteI think di naman magkakaissue kung di naman lalabas ang convo nya woth his friends and double kara ang comment nya dahil doctor sya.
Not private if people can see it when they want to
DeleteIf Abe Licudan is some tambay sa kanto, then this is taking it too far. But he is DOCTOR, MEDICAL DOCTOR. Someone that should be looking out for people who are being stigmatized for having an incurable diesease. He has a title and a license that he should be upholding. I mean regardless of whether he made a comment as a friend, I don't think it's appropriate
DeleteDid the MD know from medical records or wala lang? very unprofessional either way,but even more alarming if may breach ng confidentiality
ReplyDeleteHindi yata ganon 12:51. The doc made a bad joke that JP Morgan Chase business has a lot of people with aids. The writer, who's hiv+ was offended and then wrote the open letter.
Deletei think may basis yong sinabi ng doctor, about JP.
Deleteif libel is the intended case, element no.4 is arguably missing, lol
ReplyDeleteI think it's terrible that in our country there is still a lot of ignorance when it comes to infectious diseases, sexually transmitted diseases, and on how to treat other people respectfully, overall.
ReplyDeleteBeing respectful is a basic tenet, not only, of the medical profession, but also of living life in general. What has become of our Filipino culture? Are we so ignorant that our sensibilities do not apply when the subject is about sexuality transmitted diseases? What of compassion?
There are still a lot of people or potential patients who do not know how to, or simply refuse to address their symptoms by seeking medical attention for an infectious disease due to fear of discrimination, rejection, and humiliation--from the public AND WORSE from medical professionals. By this fear alone, we have managed to preclude the treatment of, or maybe even the possibility of proactively preventing the escalation, HIV to full-blown AIDS.
It is annoying that there are people who make light of the subject and joke about HIV/AIDS as a disease to "be careful of" in the context that one would acquire it like one would a cold or a cough. But more appalling, when we hear such blatant ignorance from a doctor. #stoptheignorance #endthestigma
THIS!
Delete1:01, di kita kilala pero may kutob ako na hindi ito ang unang comment mo na nagustohan at sinang ayunan ko. Kita sa panulat mo ang sinseridad at karunungan. Kudos sa lahat ng mga klasmeyts nating matatalino at mabuting katulad mo. Salamat! Salamat rin FP!
DeletePaala kay dok, at sa lahat na rin, Proverbs 4:23.
DeleteYour thoughts and feelings and the things you say and write will shape your life. Tulad ng sinabi ni Anon 1:01 AM, compassion, importante yan sa buhay natin para matuto tayo magpaka tao. Yun lang. Maganda sinabi mo 1:01 am.
Agree hindi lang sa HIV/AIDS na sakit
DeleteThank you for saying it!
DeleteSalamat sa ganitong comment. Kaya lang kasi maraming mayayabang na mga doctors dito sa atin. Yung unprofessional behavior nila hindi naman kinokorek ng kinauukulan unless sobrang grabe. Yung mga pangungutya na ganyan, unfortunately, madaling nakakalampas. Sabihin nila joke lang naman. Tao lang naman na nagkakamali, etc... at totoo yung sinabi mo na maraming hindi gusto magpagamot dahil sa takot na baka sila pahiyain ng mga hospital workers pati ng mga doctors kung sakali mang positive sila. Ewan ko kung may magagawa pa ba para magbago yung ganyang ugali, kasi mukang nasa pagpapalaki talaga ng magulang ang mabuting asal. Wala sa taas ng pinag-aralan.
DeletePAK!
DeleteNako bawal ang social media kay sender. Masyadong exagg.
ReplyDeleteOA nga.
DeleteAnon 1:02, Anon 2:53? OA? really?
DeleteSigh, I pity you guys for your ignorance. wala kayong alam sa buhay ng mga may HIV... I pray na wala kayong kaibigan or close to you na magkaroon kasi hindi nyo alam na ang mga taong may HIV lang ang affected... Kahit mga taong nasa paligid nila...
I understand the sentiments of the sender. May sakit ka na nga, kukutyain pa ang mga kagaya mo. And point per point, the sender was very determine to return the shameful remarks that the careless "Doctor" used. Maswerte na nga tayo at hindi tayo nahahawaan, pero let's not forget what compassion means.
ReplyDeleteMadami ba talagang HIV positive sa JP MORGAN? Alam ko sa mga callcenters, meron daw talaga eh. Curious lang ako.
ReplyDeleteIm just curious din, bakit laging sa mga call centers ganyan ang reputasyon na may hiv? Pls enlighten me.
DeleteCurious din ako, why call centers? Dami ko naririnig about that pero dko ma-connect.
DeleteSa pagkakalam ko lang po.kasi mga cc agents mataas ang libido.nasa culture na nila yun mag-anohan sila-sila kahit may asawa yun isa.multiple partners ba.nalaman ko lang to kasi nun nagwowork ako dati sa lugar na puro call center.tuwing umaga laging tambay sa labas mausok lagi nag-yoyosi.pampawala daw stress.kakaawa din sila kasi wala tulog maka-quota lang
Delete1:31am. Andoon na kasi ang karamihan ng klase ng tao. May matanda,bata,gay,lesbian,mayaman,mahirap,malandi,mahinhin,etc. Base sa experience ko... First job ko and naculture shock talaga ako (from a conservative family). Umagang umaga tambay karamihan ng mga agents sa inuman and dun nagsstart yung mga affairs nila. Swap ng partners halos every other month (daig pa Hollywood). Girl,boy,bakla,tomboy nagkakaaffair. Awayan ng mga agents minsan manager dahil sa lovelife. Halos karamihan ng mga friends ko na may boyfriend na taga call center nagloko.Di ako tumagalan ng 1 year dahil di ko lang feel yung sobrang liberated na atmosphere. Hindi ko sinasabing lahat ha... may ilan din talagang matitino pero mas madami yung medyo sablay yung morality. If you have a girlfriend/boyfriend/asawa na taga call center and hindi nagloko, swerte mo na.
DeletePromiscous kasi environment ng call center. Mga bata karamihan and gaya-gaya sa western culture na ok lng magchorvahan anytime. Madami din beks. Kaya ayan tuloy di na naisip ang pwdeng maging resulta ng actions nila.
DeleteMalaki kasi ang call centers compared sa regular office na iilan lang kayong employee. Sa isang acct lang may 300 employees na. And continuous hiring pa so laging may bago kang makakasalamuha. Kaya mas madali ang casual relationships. Bukod pa sa mga team bldg na yan. Jan nabubuo ang mga relasyon bawal man o hindi. At malaking factor din syempre ang sweldo. Isa pa, very open ang industry na ito sa mga LGBT. Hindi discriminatory. Karamihan pati, magkakasama sa bahay or boarding houses. Very yuppie kasi ang environment e, more fun.
DeleteAng wish ko lang sana kasama na sa annual medical exam ang hiv testing. Hindi naman bawal pag posit ang empleyado.
Agree!!! Nagcall center din ako...at ewan ko ang lakas ng loob nilang mg anuhan...tipong di tlga mgkakilala ganun agad parang movie.. Pag mahina ang kapit mo sa sarili mo...madadala ka...thats the reason why i quit..pero its not a bad job...
DeletePero hindi lahat ng andun ganon ang attitude ha... May matitino naman din kaso kung mahina FAITH MO O SELF CONTROL MO eh panigurado mahahawa ka sa kanilang maling lifestyle.
DeleteYuck! Kadiri pala mga taga call centers.
DeleteEwwww, buti na lang pala di ko pinayagan yung anakis ko mag work sa call center, kadiri pala talaga
DeleteI hope the appropriate legal case(s) will be filed against this Abe.
ReplyDeleteIsa ka pang OA.
DeleteI hope appropriate legal case(s) will be filed against this Posit Bo. Siya ang nanira hindi si Doc Abe.
DeleteB*bo ka lang Anon 2:54. Sana magka-AIDS ka para maexperience mo ang discrimination at yung depression na nararamdaman ng mga may ganung sakit.
DeleteAnon 3:34 I agree... haha! sana talaga yung mga sinasabing o.a si Posit Bo, I wish you could experience the hardship of someone living with HIV. Tingnan lang natin kung masabi nyo pa yan. Makapagcomment lang kasi eh...
DeleteAnon 10:59 Suuuuuuure, we're gonna wait for that case against Posit Bo and let's see who will win... Hindi sya nanira kay Doc Abe, he was just stating facts. Isa ka pa, I'll wait for that time na pag ikaw nagkasakit... tingnan ko lang kung masabi mo pa yan.
Whoever said the ranting is unecessary, YOU SHOULD ALL ROT IN HELL. You guys have no idea what these people go through just to survive a single day.
DeletePractice safe sex para di magka AIDA
ReplyDeleteDi lang naman sa sex nakukuha ang AIDS FYI....
DeleteSi attorney na nag-react at nakoronahang Miss IDAho USA. Push mo yan, attorney. At mas maganda na rin na lumantad ka kung sino ka man and you institute a case against Dr. Abe.
ReplyDeleteAt para din siya naman ang ma-idemanda ni Doc Abe! Mas libelous kaya ang ginawa ni Attorney. Tsk.
DeleteAno ba kasi yang DR na yan. Please thinks before you clicks kasi!
ReplyDeleteI agree... thanks Anon 1:34
Deletemadadami ako natutunan FP sa nabasa ko
ReplyDeletepinilit ko intindihin.
Sa hinaba-haba ng litanya niya hindi niya binanggit specifically kung saan part sa sentence ni doctor siya napikon. Kasi kung iisipin mong mabuti nagbigay lang naman ng warning yong doctor sa ibang tao. Buti nga't hindi AIDS ang sinabi eh kasi sa totoo lang hindi ko na-get 'yong AIDA na sinabi niya. Ayokong mag-analisa masyado kasi wala naman siyang binanggit.
ReplyDeletelol. di ko alam kung slow ka lang or ano. dinivulge niya lang naman na madaming may aida sa jp morgan. which is considered na paninira dahil nagbanggit siya ng specific company.
Deletehaha ako din nga hindi ko nagets yung AIDA. Sabi pa naman ni sender eh kahit grade 1 gets daw yun. Tingin ko medyo OA si sender
DeleteMarunong ka bang magbasa? He wasn't warning people about AIDS. He's insinuating that JPM has a lot of employees with AIDS.
DeleteNormal sa Doctor ang balahura magsalita lalo na sa OR/DR pero si Ateng naman kasi dinadala yung ganoonh ugali pati sa social media para magpabida!
ReplyDeleteI find the rant OA, however i feel sorry for Posit Bo. Anyway, i need to correct some things regarding his idea on Libel according our Penal Law System. The sweeping general statement made by Abe cannot be penalized under our laws. The statetment he made was general and in no way will identify a certain person.
ReplyDeleteLet me share to you guys some jurisprudence decided by the Supreme Court that will help you better understand libel.
Under Article 353 of the Revised Penal Code of the Philippines, libel is defined as a public and malicious imputation of a crime, or of a vice or defect, real or imaginary, or any act, omission, condition, status or circumstance tending to discredit or cause the dishonor or contempt of a natural or juridical person, or to blacken the memory of one who is dead. Thus, the elements of libel are: (a) imputation of a discreditable act or condition to another; (b) publication of the imputation; (c) identity of the person defamed; and, (d) existence of malice. [Daez v. Court of Appeals, G.R. No. 47971, 31 October 1990, 191 SCRA 61, 67]
On the other hand, to satisfy the element of identifiability, it must be shown that at least a third person or a stranger was able to identify him as the object of the defamatory statement. In the case of Corpus vs. Cuaderno, Sr. (16 SCRA 807) the Supreme Court ruled that “in order to maintain a libel suit, it is essential that the victim be identifiable (People vs. Monton, L-16772, November 30, 1962), although it is not necessary that he be named (19 A.L.R. 116).” In an earlier case, the high court also declared that” … defamatory matter which does not reveal the identity of the person upon whom the imputation is cast, affords no ground of action unless it be shown that the readers of the libel could have identified the personality of the individual defamed.” (Kunkle vs. Cablenews-American and Lyons 42 Phil. 760).
So, atorni, ok lang ba yung inasal ng doktor? Tama ba na manggaling sa isang doktor ang joke na me halong pangungutya o panghusga sa mga taong may aids, sa online post kung saan maraming makakabasa? Walang batas para usigin yung bastos at ignorante, pero maluwag ba ang batas para sa mga kumukutya at mapang-aping tao sa mga taong may sakit ng walang lunas?
Deletebax 4:23, sinabi lang naman ni atty na walang mangyayari sa kaso kung sa legal system idadaan, ayan na nga inexplain nang maigi, ano pa ba kailangan mo?
Deletesinabi na rin niya sa una pa lang na i feel sorry for.... intindihin mo naman bax, wag puro galit lang.
Huh, 10.40? Wala naman akong nabasang galit kay 4:23. Nagtanong lang yung tao, galit agad? Bawal ba magtanong? Not 4:23.
DeleteBaka namam nagbigay lang ng warning si Doc in a becky way... Para warningan ang friend nyang beks na kakastart lang (siguro) magwork sa company na yun.
ReplyDelete"Even a grade one student would understand that what you were saying was this “JP MORGAN CHASE & CO., is a den for people with AIDS.”
ReplyDeleteAteng, would this mean I'm still in Prep? Ngayon lang ako na inform na AIDA=AIDS.
Grade 1 na beki lang siguro nakakaalam ng term ba yan.
DeleteAko rin I didn't get it when I was reading the open letter. I truly did not know that Aida pala is some sort of code for AIDS. It's a mean joke, let's admit it. Pero nung nabasa ko na yung kinote ("quote") mo na yan, Anon 7:20, nagulat ako. Pero mali talaga yung doctor for saying that.
DeleteA more serious and more alarming issue is the fact that the worlwide trend of people having HIV/AIDS is decreasing EXCEPT in 3 countries and that includes Philipines.
ReplyDeleteJust seeing the comments saying posit bo is either overreacting or uncalled for is just saddeNing. This type of insensitivity is what is causing a lot of high risk individuals to not get tested or help. They feel that individuals who were supposed to help and understand them (family, friends, medical and government workers) are looking at them like they're dirt. Those living with.hiv can still lead healthy, normal lives. Sabagay, we are living in a very hypocrisy riddled culture.
ReplyDeleteI agree Anon 8:59... Wala sila pinagkaiba kay Doc Abe... Mga walang alam... Makapag comment lang dahil hindi nila alam ang dinadanas ng isang may HIV...
Deleteang hahaba..anyway gogogo..di ko na bumasa pero i think u r all summa cum bebe..hahaha
ReplyDeleteRepublic of the Philippines
ReplyDeleteCongress of the Philippines
Metro Manila
Tenth Congress
Republic Act No. 8504 February 13, 1998
AN ACT PROMULGATING POLICIES AND PRESCRIBING MEASURES FOR THE PREVENTION AND CONTROL OF HIV/AIDS IN THE PHILIPPINES, INSTITUTING A NATIONWIDE HIV/AIDS INFORMATION AND EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM, ESTABLISHING A COMPREHENSIVE HIV/AIDS MONITORING SYSTEM, STRENGTHENING THE PHILIPPINE NATIONAL AIDS COUNCIL, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES
ARTICLE VI
CONFIDENTIALITY
Sec. 30. Medical confidentiality. – All health professionals, medical instructors, workers, employers, recruitment agencies, insurance companies, data encoders, and other custodians of any medical record, file, data, or test results are directed to strictly observe confidentiality in the handling of all medical information, particularly the identity and status of persons with HIV.
ection 33. Penalties for violations of confidentiality. – Any violation of medical confidentiality as provided in Sec.s 30 and 32 of this Act shall suffer the penalty of imprisonment for six (6) months to four (4) years, without prejudice to administrative sanctions such as fines and suspension or revocation of the violator's license to practice his/her profession, as well as the cancellation or withdrawal of the license to operate any business entity and the accreditation of hospitals, laboratories or clinics.
bawal na mag-joke? kailangan 24/7 na professional? buti hindi ako nagdoctor
ReplyDeleteYou are not prohibited from telling jokes so long as it is not offensive considering that you are a doctor and much is expected from you
DeleteCan we just view HIV as any regular disease? Bakit ba butthurt masyado mga may HIV? Akala ko ba acceptance ang gusto nyo, bakit paimportante masyado? Papansin? Pwede bang maging normal na lang na may sakit? Ano bang pagkakaiba ng sakit nyo sa sakit ng ibang tao? Geez di naman ganyan mga may Hepa, TB, High Blood o Diabetes! Yung mga mamatay nga na may cancer hindi ganyan, ano bang ikinaiba nyo sa iba? Kayo mismo ang nagdraw-draw ng attention sa inyo para mas mapag-usapan at kutyain! Just be responsible citizens and stop spreading the disease, promote safe sex, promote awareness and testing!
ReplyDeleteWala pa kasing gamot para sa aids/hiv, unlike sa mga na mention mong sakit
Delete11.05, not all diseases can be lumped into one classification and be "viewed" the same way. They are not merely illnesses that can be dismissed as "pareho-pareho lang dapat," we are talking about real people going through physical & emotional suffering, and difficult times all-around for the sick and their families and loved ones. Insensitive and extreme comments like yours are part of the problem because instead of being compassionate, you choose to be impatient with pleas for understanding and sensitive treatment. The Doctor was clearly out of line, given his position; and even he acknowledged that. Maybe having more exposure to the real world will help you change your opinion and give you a more enlightened world view.
Deletewala pa din namang lunas ang cancer. pareho lang yan sa lgbt issue, masyadong paimportante. truth is, you cannot please everybody. may mangungutya at mangungutya. you wanted to be treated as equal and normal pero kayo din naman nagca-call ng attention ng mga tao.
DeleteThis! Pak na pak! Korek si 1105!
DeleteCorrection anon 3:34 may gamot ang HIV nacocontrol na nga yan to the point na di na nakakahawa...
Deletejudgemental ako at isa lang masasabi ko: ANG CHAKA N DOC!!!
ReplyDeleteWIN!! Hahahahahahahaha
DeleteI know him... Chaka na nga, pati ugali...
DeletePero in fairness kay doc, marami talagang aidaluz sa jp morgan...
ReplyDeleteJP Morgan lang ba maraming may aida o pati din iba pang call center company?
Deletecall center ba ang JP MORGAN CHASE & CO.?
ReplyDeleteYes, it is both a banking company and an Call Center/BPO
Deletenatakot din ba si Posit Bo?
ReplyDeleteButi nalang dito sa HSBC walang ganyang nababalita. LOL
ReplyDeleteHe should have qualified his statement with "I believe" or "I think" or "IMHO" whatever. Unfortunately if you're a doctor you have to guard your public statements specially if they're health-related as they may pose as facts even if stated jocularly. This is a cautionary example for med students like me. LOL
ReplyDeleteWhile I agree the joke was crass and tasteless, overacting naman si letter sender. I think letter sender is smarting from the fact na nagka-AIDS sya. You can avoid this if you practice safe sex. So being a smarter person, apparently letter sender lost his sense in the heat of the moment. Now he bites of the head of anyone who makes a joke related to AIDS, taking it as a personal attack. OA lang.
ReplyDeleteVery condescending comment, 3.55. #turnoff
DeleteActually not. The PLHIV community is divided on this issue. There are those who just don't give a damn and think that there are more pressing issues than this one. OA at patola lang talaga si letter sender.
DeleteAwww... Sorry naman daw Anon 3:55
DeleteHow can you then say practice safe sex sa mga nurses na nagkasakit dahil sa aksidente? Sa mga rape victims? Sa mga anak na ang nanay nila may HIV? Sa mga nagka HIV ng hindi sa SEX galing? Please Enlighten me...
It's not JP Morgan & Chase. It's JP Morgan Chase & Co. HAHAHAHAHA. Yung Nakakatawa sila pa mismo nang babash sa mga taga Chase. Eh they don't even know the correct company name! LOL :p
ReplyDeleteButi pa grade one alam ano ibig sabihin ng AIDA ako 32 yrs old di alam ano yan until now... lol!
ReplyDeleteAIDS is unlike cancer, kahit super healthy ang lifestyle mo may chances na magkaroon ka. If you are the type of person na mahilig mag one night stand na akala mong mauubusan ng sex partner e mataas ang chance mo na magkaAIDS. As for the letter sender, I'm not sure kung paano nya naacquire yung HIV virus and if sa said company sya nagwowork, pero parang sobrang galit naman nya sa comment nung Dr na as if tinag yung pangalan nya at kinutya ang pagkatao nya. It's good though na na publish ni FP itong issue na to kasi para medyo nalimutan na sya ng iba kasi dumadami ang nakakaroon instead na kumukonti. Parang ang hirap din minsan mabigyan sila ng respect dahil yung iba kahit may sakit na continue pa din sa bad habits and ng hahawa pa ng iba! (Exception ofcourse yung mga nahawa through blood transfusion and yung mga nahawa ng asawa). For me mas rude yung mga sinabi ni letter sending saying the Doctor is ignorant, etc.. Obviously ang nagkaka AIDS (na naaacquire through casual sex) ang ignorante.
ReplyDeleteI don't see how this thread is RAISING PUBLIC AWARENESS ON HIV/AIDS which is what we should be doing to prevent the spread of this dreaded illness. What this thread is doing is creating so much hate and anger when our energies should be directed towards constructively letting this doctor know that AIDS is not something one should joke about especially given his profession. To Posit Bo, I don't know how you contracted your illness and it is sad. But this negative attention you've attracted is not doing anyone any good. Maybe settling it once and for all with Doctor Abe in privacy would be a better option?
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