High end club nga....kung trashy patootie Ito e Sana sa me cubao sila pumwesto! But they are in BGC! BGC not even makati but BGC! The most high end place you can ever be!
First of all, please Sana he would educate himself! Brunei, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Libya, Dubai e Hindi Ito mga third world countries and yet they would NEVER allow this!
Puro Middle eastern countries naman kasi karamiahn dyan so may certain rules sila for dressing dahil sa religion or something. His point is, intolerance isn't fit sa isang progressive na country.
As per these countries' laws, cross-dressing is not allowed. 9:28 And your examples are Islamic countries wherein Sharia laws are also enforced. So your reasoning would not hold with the issue! The issue is that Valkyrie bans it but takes investors who are cross dressing!
not to offened anyone who are cross dressing but I guess they ban crossdressers because they do not want crossdressing to be utilized by voyeur malicious men.
In a public place where almost every women are intoxicated and probably dressed skimpily, I'd say banning crossdressers is just a way of adding security and protection. #IMHO
Ay mga shungaers na talaga mga tao nowadays....Hindi nila naintindihan si 9:28. Ang point niya is Hindi naman mga third world countries yung mga namesung niya pero bawal cross dressing so bakit magngangawa si Viceral na so third world ang pinaiiral na kaisipan ng mga taga Valkyrie! Gayung mga rich countries ginagawa Ito!
Warla ang mga baklang cheap na super sireyna lagi ang get up. Hoy ibagay niyo sa lugar. Push kau ng gay rights eh rights ng iba, ano dedma lang? Tapos pag napagkamalan kayong babae at mega ngudngod sa inyo iiyak iyak kayo. Dahil akala girlalu kayo.
Syria and Libya are not even close to being a third world countries with the ongoing war and poverty they're facing right now! Besides, you've enumerated all Islamic countries which prohibit cross dressing, I wish you'll educate yourself 1st.
Shunga, alam mu ba real reason bakit may "No Cross Dressing Policy"??? Para wala nang ma-Pemberton! Ang mga transgender ngayon halos mukha nang totoong babae, yun iba mas maganda pa, eh pag guy ka you want to hitch in a bar w/ real girls, hindi mu po itatanong kung totoong babae sya o bakla, you always start w/ good conversations and asking someone about her/his gender is a Big turn-off! O ikaw Vice ha, gusto mu ata madami ma-murder na bading eh.
Exactly! Feeling entitled kasi most of the time trying to impose so much freedom after matikman sa first world countries. If these people cant even respect select rules, how will they get respected and accepted by the majority.
You people obviously didn't get the catch here. He is plainly referring to people's narrow minded mentality which most people in a 3rd world country has
1:52 and 2:40 di naman ata yan ang basehan sa pag tawag sa isang country ng 3rd country. haha I'm in a 3rd world country but I'm confident that I'm not a narrow minded person, i know someone living in a 1st world country but he is so narrow minded. Did both of you get what i mean?
It's not defining anyone. Hindi pagkatao ang issue. Rules or policies are there to serve as guidelines. Kung iyon ang gusto ng management, so be it. Kung puwedeng baguhin dahil isa sa mga stakeholders (Vice Ganda) ay disagree, eh di reviewhin at kung valid yung point, palitan. Huwag nyong personalin. Hindi masamang maglagay ng policies. It puts everything in order.
@1052 tumpak! Even major cities have dress code in some of bars and restaurants. Sometimes wearing jeans or trainers and flipflops are not allowed. But i guess the thing that was wrong about this is if you have VIP tix in Valkyrie then if you're a crossdresser you'll be allowed in, so its not about the dress, is about the money!
OMG you're missing the point. Transexuals and transgenders aren't crossdressing. The way they dress is the way they are na - and Valkyrie refuses to accept that.
What policy are you talking about about, 10:52? The kind that could be bent when someone could afford to get a VIP table? Check Trixie Maristela's statement. If they are to make rules, at least they should be strict with it through and through.
10:52 anung ibig mong sabihin sa put things in order? Pag LGBT out of order? Grabe ka naman, paki sabi nga yan sa ceo ng apple, hiyang hiya naman sya sa pagka in order mo.
@10:52 "Hindi masamang maglagay ng policies. It puts everything in order.", That's exactly what's wrong with the policy, it creates an order that is discriminatory. Owning a business doesn't give you the right to discriminate people based on their gender.
Everybody should dip their faces in a bucket of ice cold water and face the harsh truth. Imho not everyone is going easily accept the lgbt community because everyone has a different believes, stances and opinions about them and its not going away easily.
I do believe that we can properly go to the "New Age" if we practice "RESPECT" in our lives for example If a gay/lesbian person tried to hookup with someone and they refused then RESPECT their answer and move on, dont call them homophobes. If a father learns his son is gay/lesbian RESPECT their decision and let them grow. If a lesbian/gay couple want to adopt then RESPECT their choices and let have their family of their own and dont be judgemental. We would be really going places if we add RESPECT in our lives and avoid unpleasant circumstances.
What a statement na Hindi pinagisipan! You are defined by what you wear! Lagay niyo parati yan sa isipan niyo! That's why uniforms are invented and styles and fashion! New age ka pang nalalaman pati isipan mo new age! Miley Cyrus is an example of new age thinking!
Then pull it out. As easy as that. I strongly believe that there should be rules in which no cross dresing is allowed. This is to avoid men to hook up with crossdressers. Well don't get me wrong. Some people go to the bars just to hook up and I think everyone knows what happened to J Laude. Marami pa din ang mga baklang mapanlinlang at karaniwan nilang nabibiktima ang mga foreigners. Besides marami pa namang bars diyan na LGBT friendly. Dun na lang po tayo. And I have to disagree with Vice, it's not actually 3rd World as some of the high end bars in the US implements the same rules and mas mahigpit pa nga.
Tama! Pwede naman pumunta sa ibang bars na walang ganitong restriction. But then again awkward naman kasi kay Vice kasi nga part sya ng LGBT. Kaya ok na rin siguro na nag-issue sya ng ganitong statement.
So you're saying okay lang magban because the crossdressers deceive men? And so? Why put the blame on them when these supposedly fragile men cant seem to handle theirselves? Is crossdressing a new thing? Baby pa ba yang mga lalaking yan para iguide kung kanino makikipagfling? You're so naive
Hinid lahat ng nag cocross dress ang main purpose is manloko or manlalake for that matter. Most of the time it's an expression of oneself. Just because ginawa ni J Laude ginagawa na ng buong transgender society, And segregation fuels discrimination and hate.
Exactly my thoughts. Tsaka some establishments have this equity they want to uphold to give the best experience to select patrons. Isa na dyan yung wow mali ala j. Laude leading to death cases.
I do agree 9:44 and whether the bar gets eventually shut down because of that rule, then so be it. Its their bar and its their rules, they have their rights and reasons for not allowing crossdressers. Everyone should just respect it and move on.
Oo, may mga cross-dressers na nakakabighani ng mga kalalakihang straight dahil sa sobrang ganda nila, pero huwag nating gawing dahilan ito upang maging homophobic. Kasi ang pang-lalahat ay pang-mamata, at yun ang ayaw nating mangyari.
So pakipaliwanag kung bakit nakakapasok sina Gitri San Diego, Margaux Medina, at Kevin Balot pero sina Trixie Maristela at Veejay ay pinagbawalan under the reasoning na cross-dressing sina Trixie at Veejay?
This is the PHL where discrimination is widely accepted. Bravo Viceral. It's time to change the mindset of people. You just can't implement a rule that marginalizes a certain sector of society!
This comment is too homophobic and full of bigotry.
Sige, let us spawn institutions that discriminate people. Pero let us not react when an establishment will not allow Filipinos to enter because of a lame pathetic reason that their costumers would "not have fun."
The best way is yung ginawa ni Trixie Maristela. Lumipat siya ng bar kung saan tanggap siya. Kung ang LGBT ay may pride talaga, wag na nila suportahan ang bar na ito kahit i-allow pa nila ang cross dressing dahil at the first place di na nila tanggap ang crossdressers. Huwag ng tangkilikin pa ang establishments na ganito. Ka plastican naman kung ngayon lang nila tatanggalin yung rule kung kelan madami na silang napahiyang cross dressers. And i'm sure yung owner di agad papayag as they protect the bars' "exclusivity". Sa IBANG mga cross dressers naman, payo lang bilang kapatid. Sana alam din natin limitasyon natin. Kaya hindi tayo matanggap tanggap ng lipunan eh. Wag tayong magkalat din, make sure na karesperespeto ang mga itsura natin at siguraduhing may dignidad pa din tayo. Tao din tayo tulad ng sabi niyo. At ang tunay na tao sumusunod sa regulasyon ng bawat institusyon. Saka lang tayo umangal pag nakakasakal na pero sa ibang sitwasyon, siguro pwede tayo mag adjust. May mga bagay o idea kasi na hindi natin basta basta maipapasok sa pag iisip ng bawat tao. Yun lang po :)
tama ka naman madami pa bar yung tanggap kahit sino. bakit kailangan ipaglaban ang sarili sa valkyrie dahil ba sikat yang bar na yan at sosyal ka pag dyan ka nagbabar? aminin na natin yan din naman habol ng ngppunta dyan yung feeling na masasabi mo sa friend mo na nagvalkyrie ka last night.
parang love lang yan wag ipilit ang sarili sa taong d ka gusto masasaktan ka lang .. hehehe
12:30 Probably for business purposes. As long as you invest a lot of money, then you're in. That's how business works. Unfortunately with the case of Valkyrie and it's customers, they do implement rules that maybe isn't fair and in favor of others. Life isn't fair indeed.
Go Vice! Di ko maintindihan kung bakit may ganitong policy sa isang club. E diba lugar ito kung saan pwedeng magwild at magpakatotoo (apart from having fun)? Wa sense.O baka may ganitong rule kasi homophobes ang mga patrons sa mga lugar na ito at natatakot silang makipaghook up sa isang crossdresser kapag nagkalasingan na. I dont think this is a THIRD WORLD issue kasi wala namang kinalaman ang economy dito. Ito ay BACKWARD na pagiisip.
Developing country is the politically correct term, Anon 10pm. Developed countries are known previously as the first world countries. WALA na ang terms na first & third world countries.
Regardless if developed or developing, progressive yung term pero dapat mas specific- there are conservative countries that are socially backward yet economically progressive.
1:42 Init na init naman teh? And saying third world mentality instead of economic status doesn't make it any less insensitive. This topic has always been controversial and I think for good reason. Disagreements are sometimes necessary for check and balance. So chill :)
For me dont allow us. Not bcoz i hate the xdressers dude. I really do love them. Kaso whenever I go to some bars in the metro at may mga xdressers, nagmumukang mga kabaret ung bar e. Pls dont get me wrong, high end bars should be high end.
Yes, club equity tawag dyan. Pag pinapasok mo sila, cabaret o ala-brazil festival na. And this can annoy & destroy loyalty of their target customers, which is their target segment.
"high end bars should be high end." - ang standard ng pagiging high-end ay nag-iiba over time, iba ang high-end nuon sa high-end ngayon, depende yan sa panahon, and time is changing, at yun ang point ni Vice when he said that these policies make us look na masyado tayong paurong mag-isip,
Aminin na lang na d2 sa pinas nagiging bastusin mga crossdressers because they overdo it, too exaggerated, too elaborate kadalasan. If its their policy so be it. Make valkyrie a membership bar and guests can get in only with the member or his authorization. The bar, i think is just concerned for the safety of theiir clients. Vice, sa US meron din bar na nagbabawal ng crossdressers kaya please stop feeling like you know it all. Talagang naka capslock pa third world ha
It's the policy that is so third world. It's how some people kahit na nasa US pa yan look at crossdressers, third world thinking. VG does not feel knowing it all. Ikaw, Anon 10:35 ang tipong knowing it all.
i agree nakakaloko minsan ang mga crossdresser. mas wild pa sila sa girls pag nalasing. and dami naguguyo na guys. so i agree with that policy. dapat lang naman nsa lugar.
12:35 sorry pero this club is a public establishment so pag may pera ka na pambayad pasok ka na dapat. Para lang yan yung issue sa US na cake shop na nagsara after denying service to a gay customer. They were forced to close. Free enterprise works both ways, pay to receive service, render service to be paid. No exceptions, buts and ifs that is just purely based on gender or racial bias.
I'm sorry but hello Vegas??? Kamusta naman yung mga crossdressers dun? Marami sa kanila pareho din naman ang pananamit sa mga crossdressers natin dito, mas malala pa nga.
Anonymous 10:35.. Saan po sa US ang may Door Policy na crossdressers are not allowed? Please site specific examples? I dont think those bars are located in major cities.
1:30 i know it is a public establishment thats why i suggested to make it a membership bar so there will be no issue who will they allow to get in . I was trying to imply that if there is inconsistencies in their policy better make it for members only
Alam ni Vice na ganyan ang exena sa Valkyrie since then. He should have made a move na sana instead of papasukin lang ang mga friends nya. Bakla din naman sya so he could have shown more empathy. Not mentioning na siya mismo eh nagdadamit pambabae on national TV.
I was waiting for Vice to make a stand on this. I did hear he is one of the many stockholders, who is also a very popular cross-dresser, so dapat talaga nun una pa lang hindi na naglagay ng ganyang policy.
para namang di kapani paniwala part owner ka tapos di mo alam nangyayari.matagal na hindi lang mga transgender ang me issue ng NOCROSSDRESSING ! I have read a lot of stories about their bad experiences in Valkyrie.Hay naku business is very competitive in the Philippines.Don;t think your business will go along way.Somebody should stop this discrimination and harassment on transgender.I have a son who's a transgender.He experienced all those things not only in bars but also in workplace and in school.As a mother it hurts when I hear that so,so unfair treatment.Everybody needs respect ! God never discriminates whether you are gay,lesbian,transgender or transexual.Who are you to judge ???
HYPOCRITE. So di niya alam all the long? Then he should fire the door security or whatever they call it. Kasi nakakapasok naman ibang becky na trans. So selective lang ang peg ganon. - i'm not even a beki, straight girl from taguig
Please Vice, let them maintain that policy. Valkyrie is supposed to be a hang.out place of classy and decent looking people. Masagwa kc mag dress ng babae kadalasan ang mga gays, no offense meant po
tanung lang po! Ung po bang babaeng nakapantalon na maong eh pinapapasok pa din b sa Valkyrie kc d b crossdressing din un?.... May mga hard butch din kayang nakakapasok sa valkyrie?
I think damage control ito,bilang part owner/shareholder I don't think Vice needs to air is concern about the said policy, they can ave a board meeting and talk about it...i just find it weird that he needs to react this way being an owner, if indeed it is something he is concerned about since there has been other incidents in the past...just wonderin'
Anobey kung may rights ang LGBT, may right din ang management ng club kung ano gusto nila gawin sa club nila. Kanila yun. Porket crossdresser hindi pinapasok, super big deal discrimination agad? Im sure kung babae yan na mataba or hindi kagandahan tapos hindi pinapasok ng club, waley kayo reaction, imbis pagtatawanan nyo pa.
It's Valkyrie's right to impose their rules. Just like how door b*tches can refuse entry to customers if they don't think they're dressed appropriately or just because they don't look classy/attractive enough.
Dba vice matgal ng policy yan ng valk bago kapa maging stockholder napah meetingan nyo na rin yan for sure and obviously you agreed stockholder ka nga eh dba so ano pinaglalaban m ngayon?
Club policy yan eh. Parang your house, your rules. If you can't comply with the house rule, wag kang pumasok. I love LGBT, pero babae nga pag Hindi club dress ang suot, bawal sa Valkyrie. But we comply to get in.
The thing here is ang isa sa mga owner, known na crossdresser tas ang bar nag-iinarte magpapasok ng crossdresser? Parang house lang din yan, bawal ang baklang nagdadamit babae pero yung anak ng may-ari baklang nagdadamit babae. Ang labo lang diba? Walang masama sa policy kung strictly followed. Eh kumusta naman yung pag VIP ka pwede pumasok ang crossdresser? Ang labo diba?
People always confuse "dress-codes" to a rule barring entrance to "cross-dressers." Magkaiba kasi yun e. Dress-codes apply to all, while the no entrance rule to cross-dressers apply only to a minority in society which are transgender women. These people who are born men(sorry to say this) do not even identify themselves as gay, but as real women. So its just natural for them to be in a dress like any natural born woman you know, so you can't say na "club policy" lang yan eh. Kaya please lang, let's educate ourselves regarding their plight so we can understand these people better before making our comments. Thank you.
Ang hirap kasi sa Pilipino, pinipilit pa nating gayahin yung lifestyle ng mga tao living in rich countries. We are poor. Sa kangkungan tayo bagay. Chos
Imbis na bars ang ipatayo ng mga Businessmen na to bakit hindi nalang school or anything that would hone the talents of our youth. Daming uneducated people at dahil yan nakikita nila sa social media. Instead of them focusing on their studies, gusto nila 'in' na din sila. Kaya hindi tayo umuunlad. Pwe!
Restaurants don't serve customers without shoes and shirts. I think it's their prerogative to enforce their own rules. It's for the safety & comfort of their own customers. If you don't agree, then don't patronize the establishment. Pull out your stock then, Vice.
Oh at least alam na natin ang stand ni vheks... Kaya lang medyo obsolete na yung term na third world. Mas ok pa yung strike soil ni madam ekaterina.....
Si tessa prieto ba will be allowed to enter valkyrie without any hassle? What about si kevin balot? So ano bang issue nila talaga? The point is, rules are there to make things in order and to set standards. The problem is, it doesn't apply to all because the standard that they use is very subjective. Its very hypocritical to have vice ganda as one of the owners given their cross dressing policy, im sure sawang sawa na si vice whenever people ask him about it.
for me lang kung may ganyan policy ang valkyrie edi maghanap ng ibang bar. valkyrie lang ba ang bar sa buong metro manila?? im not saying wala sila karapatan kaya lang policy nga eh. business nila yun so sarili nilang rules and regulation at may sarili din silang reason kung bakit.
Don't you think that if this club applies this policy, other clubs won't follow? The idea here is for them to act as a precedent to other clubs and establishments. Mali na nga, hahayaan pa natin? Just because they want to be?
bakit naman mgfofollow ang ibang bar sa kanila hindi ba mas advantage pa nga ng ibang bar na sila walang ganyan policy atleast yung mga beki na cross dresser sa kanila pupunta. kanya kanya yan strategy para mas iba sila sa karamihan. eh hindi ba may mga bars naman talaga na may dress code before pa so wala naman yan pinagkaiba nagkataon lang sikat yang bar na yan.
First. We are living on a third world country Second. Iniiwasan lang nila magkaroon ng issue of hooking up with a crossdresser (like what happen in j. Laude case) Third. May mga foreign invest Yan And lastly .. Fourth. May mga lgbt friendly clubs naman yun nga dapat supportahan nyo kasi mahirap mag risk sa buss. And its a heterosexual clubs so expect rules like that
the Ph is a third world country. Also, for that person who wasn't allowed to enter and said he'd never been treated that way in the US, you don't bring the US with you wherever you go, dear. Respect the rules of places you go to. America is not the center of the world.
agree! pinapalaki ang issue na to, hindi lang na take na she was snobbed, there's no such thing as discrimination on this issue eh yung ibang friends nga ni vice nakakapasok ng valkyrie
Sige pakipaliwanag ang "that kind of people." Ano ang diperensya ng isang Trixie Maristela na matalino at taga-UP at nang isang Kevin Balot na hindi marunong mag-Inggles? Pareho silang byukonerang trans. Si Trixie hindi pinapasok, si Kevin ay VIP. Pareho silang manamit - damit babae. Ano diperensya? Please enlighten us.
Cheka, eh third world country naman talaga tayo hahahaha.
Anyway, kung policy talaga ng club yun, then so be it. Naibahagi na nila Veejay Floresca yung side nila, at mukhang di naman patitinag yung club so mag-party na lang sa ibang lugar, 'di ba? I see Valkyrie as a current trendy club, so obviously pagdating ng panahon the hype will die down and people will move on/stop going there. And maybe Valkyrie by then would somehow regret not doing anything about this, kasi at the end of the day this type of publicity could stop people from becoming 'loyal' customers.
So true ! If you are an ordinary customer sorry for you.But if you are a showbiz personality or socialites people or has connections inside Valkyrie kahit wala sa dress code nila pasok ! VIP treatment ka
Geez. So many people are misguided. This person is just criticizing the mentality of being so old fashioned and being narrow minded culture of which this club practices. There is no such thing as politically incorrect in this matter.
Annon 1:56am u dont have to explain. Sadly mas madaming di nakakaintindi ng mga ganyan term. Minsan they take it literally. Hindi naman kasi lahat may mataas na level sa english. Konting pasensya
May right ang club mag implement ng dress rules. Pero bilang investor at isa ring cross-dresser, tama lang i-pull out ni Vice ang share niya kasi parang sinasabi na si Vice, kung nagkataon di shareholder, di rin papasaukin. Invest na lang siya sa mas tugma sa kanyang beliefs.
May karapatan sila magimplement ng dress rules basta CONSISTENT sila. Bakit ang ibang trans tulad nina Balot ay pinapapasok at ang iba tulad nina Veejay ay hindi?
bat d informed c vice s policy ng business nila? hanggang financer lng ba sya? o me ibang nagse-set ng rules s grupo nila? baka po me nakaka alam ng sagot, paexplain po thanks
O Kala ko ba AYAW ni vice ganda ng cross dressing. D ba pinuna pa nya dati c Rustom padilla aka bb gandanghari na ok Lang nman daw maging beki wag Lang mag-ayos pambabae tapos un pala gagawin din nya later on. Ano yun super inggit Lang cya k Rustom?
Para lang tayong bumalik sa time when women are not allowed to wear pants. Why can't a man wear a dress if he wants to? Madaling magsalita ng 'rules are rules' kung hindi ka naman affected. Pero pag inconvenient na sa inyo saka kayo magooutrage.
E diba laging nasa valkyrie ung sila g3, kevin balot, etc... Baka kaya di pinapasok ung veejay, etc... kasi hindi mukhang sushal na crossdresser hehehe.
There are a couple of things everyone needs to consider here. You have to understand and look at it from a business standpoint as well. Because, thus has happened to establishments like Hard Rock Cafe, that due to influx of foreign patrons - crossdressers took advantage and the place eventually became a hook-up place. Hard Rock lost its glory, lost its status, lost its regular patronage. This is a business decision, eventhough, unfortunately, it discriminates. And that is true, all business establishments has their own target market, and have the right to determine who they want inside their establishments to maintain that. I don't agree with their business decision, however, I do not condone this as they have the right to their own rules, on a business perspective. I, thank you.
Minsan nakakasawa na din ang lgbt sa kaka-push ng lgbt na yan, kala mo lagi silang kawawa.. Masyado silang nanghihingi ng acceptance pero sila di nila ma-accept na sa huli iba iba pa din ang view ng tao sa kanila. Dont get me wrong, i have gay and tomboy friends pero di naman sila tulad ng iba na masyadong uhaw sa acceptance, mga decent sila. Respect is earned, hindi hinihingi. And yang cross dressing na yan tama lang naman yan! Nakakainis na din kasi na panay na lang gustong gumaya sa states ng mga lgbt, pwede ka namang maging bakla na decent, pwede kang tomboy na decent! Hindi yung andami dami mong hinihingi sa bansa mo porket democratic tayo at masyado nyo ina-achieve yung mga palatuntunan ng 1st world countries na wala ng morality. Kung mas mahalaga sayo yang acceptance na yan kesa sa morality mo at ng tao sa paligid mo then goodluck!
Doesn't vice know that even in first world countries such as the US, there are clubs that are not only uber exclusive but implement highly stringent rules such that they deny entrance/membership from any Real Housewife and talentless reality stars such as the Kardashians??? SOHO House anyone? - Baklang Valedictorian
Wow... so kapag pala ang LGBT community nag punta sa isang private establishment at hindi sila pinapasok dahil sa rules and regulation, homophobic na yung private establishment? Do you guys even think? Akala nyo ba puwede akong pumasok sa Shangrila ng naka tapak at walang tshirt? Please lang, don't use the word homophobic willy nilly kasi nawawala ang bisa nung word. Nagiging katatawanan nalang kayo.
Wow... Anon 12:14. You're way off the mark bro, before making comments about the topic, I believe you need to understand the meaning of these words first: appropriate, dress-code, policy, gender, trans-gender, discrimination. Thank you.
Malamang may bad incident na yung club kaya sila nag-enforce ng ganitong rule. Anyway, Vice pullout your shares nalang and invest your money in a club that accepts crossdressing
"This is a business rule and everyone should respect it. "
Bullcrap. Hindi mo maaring sabihin maghanap na lang ng ibang bar ang isang transgender dahil siya ay hindi pinapasok sa isang establishment while the rest of us can get in without any hassle. Ito ay malinaw na discrimination. Hindi issue dito ang cross dressing. Mula pagka bata I'm sure transgender people had to endure discrimination, humiliation up until to the point where they can finally express who they are freely. So to be refused entry would be really hurtful. My point is, give them a break. Lahat tayo may karapatan na mag libang. We can't just accept a business rule na katulad ng sa Valkyrie. It's only causing confusion to others and dividing people. Ok lang na hindi makapasok sa Valkyrie. Long term resolution ang dapat. Ang mahalaga ay malinaw sa marami na transgender people are still discriminated and that it should be stopped.
let's face it. Not all crossdressers act decently and dress elegantly. A lot of crossdressers in a bar cheapens the place. Valkyrie wants to protect its reputation.
if that's the policy of the bar, then so be it. if you are not allowed there, then go somewhere else. wag ipagpilitan ang sarili sa isang lugar na hindi ka welcome.
doubt gagawin yan ng valkyrie daming cross dressers dyan noh the very suki vice ganda nga eh.
ReplyDeleteWell, at least he said something about the issue. It's been a long time coming.
ReplyDeleteI totally agree.
DeleteHigh end club nga....kung trashy patootie Ito e Sana sa me cubao sila pumwesto! But they are in BGC! BGC not even makati but BGC! The most high end place you can ever be!
DeleteImagine your business without LGBT in it. Even a single one?
Delete@2:04 Well in ancient history they were winning wars....
DeleteTaray!!!
ReplyDeleteSa tagal nang isyu ng no crossdressing sa Valkyrie, ngayon lang sya nagreact? Sakay lang sa isyu para mapag-usapan
DeleteFirst of all, please Sana he would educate himself! Brunei, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Libya, Dubai e Hindi Ito mga third world countries and yet they would NEVER allow this!
ReplyDeleteHindi po bansa ang Dubai...UAE po 😊
DeletePilipinas, THIRD WORLD. hindi naman kinumpara sa mga bansang sinabi mo
DeletePuro Middle eastern countries naman kasi karamiahn dyan so may certain rules sila for dressing dahil sa religion or something. His point is, intolerance isn't fit sa isang progressive na country.
Delete9:28 pahiya ka kay 10:02 hahaha educate mo muna sarili mo.
DeleteBesides , what he meant was archaic.
it was an idiomatic expression!
Ganyan nga archaic ang culture ng Arab countries.
kaya tama si Vice!
As per these countries' laws, cross-dressing is not allowed. 9:28 And your examples are Islamic countries wherein Sharia laws are also enforced. So your reasoning would not hold with the issue! The issue is that Valkyrie bans it but takes investors who are cross dressing!
DeleteI love you @10:02!!!!
Deletejusmio atey, ang mga bansang inexample mo eh puro mga arab countries na may sharia law. pambihira ka naman, sa mga binanggit mo eh bawal talaga.
Deleteeducate mo muna sarili mo 9:28 shunga ka!
Deletenot to offened anyone who are cross dressing but I guess they ban crossdressers because they do not want crossdressing to be utilized by voyeur malicious men.
DeleteIn a public place where almost every women are intoxicated and probably dressed skimpily, I'd say banning crossdressers is just a way of adding security and protection. #IMHO
I guess what he was trying to imply is that its "barbaric" to implement a no cross dressing policy?
DeleteThird World wasn't used literally but figuratively.
DeleteAy mga shungaers na talaga mga tao nowadays....Hindi nila naintindihan si 9:28. Ang point niya is Hindi naman mga third world countries yung mga namesung niya pero bawal cross dressing so bakit magngangawa si Viceral na so third world ang pinaiiral na kaisipan ng mga taga Valkyrie! Gayung mga rich countries ginagawa Ito!
Deletemalamang muslim country/states yang mga yan!
DeleteWarla ang mga baklang cheap na super sireyna lagi ang get up. Hoy ibagay niyo sa lugar. Push kau ng gay rights eh rights ng iba, ano dedma lang? Tapos pag napagkamalan kayong babae at mega ngudngod sa inyo iiyak iyak kayo. Dahil akala girlalu kayo.
DeleteSyria and Libya are not even close to being a third world countries with the ongoing war and poverty they're facing right now! Besides, you've enumerated all Islamic countries which prohibit cross dressing, I wish you'll educate yourself 1st.
DeletePull out! Pull out! Pull out!
ReplyDeleteYou remind me of my boyfriend. If you know what I mean. Hahaha
DeleteShunga, alam mu ba real reason bakit may "No Cross Dressing Policy"??? Para wala nang ma-Pemberton! Ang mga transgender ngayon halos mukha nang totoong babae, yun iba mas maganda pa, eh pag guy ka you want to hitch in a bar w/ real girls, hindi mu po itatanong kung totoong babae sya o bakla, you always start w/ good conversations and asking someone about her/his gender is a Big turn-off!
DeleteO ikaw Vice ha, gusto mu ata madami ma-murder na bading eh.
@9:20 is he asian too? If you know what i mean. Hahahaha!
DeleteBut we are really a third-world country
ReplyDeletePak!
Deletelol tama nga naman
DeleteExactly! Feeling entitled kasi most of the time trying to impose so much freedom after matikman sa first world countries. If these people cant even respect select rules, how will they get respected and accepted by the majority.
DeleteGusto niyo tlaga sa lahat ng aspeto, 3rd world country ang peg naten
Deletethe irony.
DeletePlangak! Baka yung mayayaman feeling nila First world ang Pinas, nakalimutan bigyan ng memo ang karamihan ng mamamayan sa Pilipinas.
DeleteYou people obviously didn't get the catch here. He is plainly referring to people's narrow minded mentality which most people in a 3rd world country has
DeleteBut we are third world :D
DeleteExactly! 1:52
DeleteThird world naman tlga eh. Totoo naman.
Deletejusmio wag masyadong literal mga ateng!
Delete1:52 and 2:40 di naman ata yan ang basehan sa pag tawag sa isang country ng 3rd country. haha I'm in a 3rd world country but I'm confident that I'm not a narrow minded person, i know someone living in a 1st world country but he is so narrow minded. Did both of you get what i mean?
DeleteNo dress should define anyone. Welcome to the new age guys! stop being so stone aged
ReplyDeleteIt's not defining anyone. Hindi pagkatao ang issue. Rules or policies are there to serve as guidelines. Kung iyon ang gusto ng management, so be it. Kung puwedeng baguhin dahil isa sa mga stakeholders (Vice Ganda) ay disagree, eh di reviewhin at kung valid yung point, palitan. Huwag nyong personalin. Hindi masamang maglagay ng policies. It puts everything in order.
Delete@1052 tumpak! Even major cities have dress code in some of bars and restaurants. Sometimes wearing jeans or trainers and flipflops are not allowed. But i guess the thing that was wrong about this is if you have VIP tix in Valkyrie then if you're a crossdresser you'll be allowed in, so its not about the dress, is about the money!
DeleteOMG you're missing the point. Transexuals and transgenders aren't crossdressing. The way they dress is the way they are na - and Valkyrie refuses to accept that.
DeletePoint here is bakit mga close na Transgenders ganda nakakapasok and the owners itself are crossdressers.
DeleteWhat policy are you talking about about, 10:52? The kind that could be bent when someone could afford to get a VIP table? Check Trixie Maristela's statement. If they are to make rules, at least they should be strict with it through and through.
Delete10:52 anung ibig mong sabihin sa put things in order? Pag LGBT out of order? Grabe ka naman, paki sabi nga yan sa ceo ng apple, hiyang hiya naman sya sa pagka in order mo.
Delete@10:52 "Hindi masamang maglagay ng policies. It puts everything in order.", That's exactly what's wrong with the policy, it creates an order that is discriminatory. Owning a business doesn't give you the right to discriminate people based on their gender.
DeleteEverybody should dip their faces in a bucket of ice cold water and face the harsh truth. Imho not everyone is going easily accept the lgbt community because everyone has a different believes, stances and opinions about them and its not going away easily.
DeleteI do believe that we can properly go to the "New Age" if we practice "RESPECT" in our lives for example If a gay/lesbian person tried to hookup with someone and they refused then RESPECT their answer and move on, dont call them homophobes. If a father learns his son is gay/lesbian RESPECT their decision and let them grow. If a lesbian/gay couple want to adopt then RESPECT their choices and let have their family of their own and dont be judgemental. We would be really going places if we add RESPECT in our lives and avoid unpleasant circumstances.
What a statement na Hindi pinagisipan! You are defined by what you wear! Lagay niyo parati yan sa isipan niyo! That's why uniforms are invented and styles and fashion! New age ka pang nalalaman pati isipan mo new age! Miley Cyrus is an example of new age thinking!
DeleteWeh
ReplyDeleteThen pull it out. As easy as that. I strongly believe that there should be rules in which no cross dresing is allowed. This is to avoid men to hook up with crossdressers. Well don't get me wrong. Some people go to the bars just to hook up and I think everyone knows what happened to J Laude. Marami pa din ang mga baklang mapanlinlang at karaniwan nilang nabibiktima ang mga foreigners. Besides marami pa namang bars diyan na LGBT friendly. Dun na lang po tayo. And I have to disagree with Vice, it's not actually 3rd World as some of the high end bars in the US implements the same rules and mas mahigpit pa nga.
ReplyDeleteAgree ako sa yo anon 9:44.
Deletei'm sorry, but this comment is really sensible.
DeleteTama! Pwede naman pumunta sa ibang bars na walang ganitong restriction. But then again awkward naman kasi kay Vice kasi nga part sya ng LGBT. Kaya ok na rin siguro na nag-issue sya ng ganitong statement.
DeleteThank you. I have nothing against the LGBT community but after J Laude, I say it's better to be safe than sorry
DeleteSo you're saying okay lang magban because the crossdressers deceive men? And so? Why put the blame on them when these supposedly fragile men cant seem to handle theirselves? Is crossdressing a new thing? Baby pa ba yang mga lalaking yan para iguide kung kanino makikipagfling? You're so naive
DeleteHinid lahat ng nag cocross dress ang main purpose is manloko or manlalake for that matter. Most of the time it's an expression of oneself. Just because ginawa ni J Laude ginagawa na ng buong transgender society, And segregation fuels discrimination and hate.
Delete-Caitlyn Jay
agree, also hindi porket 'first world' = modern/ revolutionary ek ek = smart. Mataas masyado tingin dito. Hindi mo ikatataas o ikatatalino yan.
DeleteThank you for this. May point yung J. Laude issue.
DeleteExactly my thoughts. Tsaka some establishments have this equity they want to uphold to give the best experience to select patrons. Isa na dyan yung wow mali ala j. Laude leading to death cases.
Deletepointless. misleading yung ibang punto mo.
DeleteI do agree 9:44 and whether the bar gets eventually shut down because of that rule, then so be it. Its their bar and its their rules, they have their rights and reasons for not allowing crossdressers. Everyone should just respect it and move on.
DeleteI think we are a long way from understanding.
DeleteBased on what you're saying, transexuals/transgenders are wrong to dress the way they want to.
Also, you are saying, they are not free to interact with men, even if the men want to interact with them.
Hayyy nako. Tama nga si Melo. Tama sila Reena.
944, agree with you
DeleteOo, may mga cross-dressers na nakakabighani ng mga kalalakihang straight dahil sa sobrang ganda nila, pero huwag nating gawing dahilan ito upang maging homophobic. Kasi ang pang-lalahat ay pang-mamata, at yun ang ayaw nating mangyari.
DeleteSo pakipaliwanag kung bakit nakakapasok sina Gitri San Diego, Margaux Medina, at Kevin Balot pero sina Trixie Maristela at Veejay ay pinagbawalan under the reasoning na cross-dressing sina Trixie at Veejay?
DeleteThis is the PHL where discrimination is widely accepted. Bravo Viceral. It's time to change the mindset of people. You just can't implement a rule that marginalizes a certain sector of society!
Deletepero kpag may VIP ticket ok sa knila n pumasok?! its not about the gender its about the money
DeleteThis comment is too homophobic and full of bigotry.
DeleteSige, let us spawn institutions that discriminate people. Pero let us not react when an establishment will not allow Filipinos to enter because of a lame pathetic reason that their costumers would "not have fun."
The best way is yung ginawa ni Trixie Maristela. Lumipat siya ng bar kung saan tanggap siya. Kung ang LGBT ay may pride talaga, wag na nila suportahan ang bar na ito kahit i-allow pa nila ang cross dressing dahil at the first place di na nila tanggap ang crossdressers. Huwag ng tangkilikin pa ang establishments na ganito. Ka plastican naman kung ngayon lang nila tatanggalin yung rule kung kelan madami na silang napahiyang cross dressers. And i'm sure yung owner di agad papayag as they protect the bars' "exclusivity". Sa IBANG mga cross dressers naman, payo lang bilang kapatid. Sana alam din natin limitasyon natin. Kaya hindi tayo matanggap tanggap ng lipunan eh. Wag tayong magkalat din, make sure na karesperespeto ang mga itsura natin at siguraduhing may dignidad pa din tayo. Tao din tayo tulad ng sabi niyo. At ang tunay na tao sumusunod sa regulasyon ng bawat institusyon. Saka lang tayo umangal pag nakakasakal na pero sa ibang sitwasyon, siguro pwede tayo mag adjust. May mga bagay o idea kasi na hindi natin basta basta maipapasok sa pag iisip ng bawat tao. Yun lang po :)
DeleteThe point is, if cross dressers are not allowed in the valkyrie, why allow a cross dresser stockholder?
Deletetama ka naman madami pa bar yung tanggap kahit sino. bakit kailangan ipaglaban ang sarili sa valkyrie dahil ba sikat yang bar na yan at sosyal ka pag dyan ka nagbabar? aminin na natin yan din naman habol ng ngppunta dyan yung feeling na masasabi mo sa friend mo na nagvalkyrie ka last night.
Deleteparang love lang yan wag ipilit ang sarili sa taong d ka gusto masasaktan ka lang .. hehehe
12:30 Probably for business purposes. As long as you invest a lot of money, then you're in. That's how business works. Unfortunately with the case of Valkyrie and it's customers, they do implement rules that maybe isn't fair and in favor of others. Life isn't fair indeed.
DeleteGo Vice! Di ko maintindihan kung bakit may ganitong policy sa isang club. E diba lugar ito kung saan pwedeng magwild at magpakatotoo (apart from having fun)? Wa sense.O baka may ganitong rule kasi homophobes ang mga patrons sa mga lugar na ito at natatakot silang makipaghook up sa isang crossdresser kapag nagkalasingan na. I dont think this is a THIRD WORLD issue kasi wala namang kinalaman ang economy dito. Ito ay BACKWARD na pagiisip.
ReplyDeleteYour way of thinking (na puwedeng magpaka wild) predates civilization. Nakaka awa at nakakaloka ka.
DeleteYun nga po ang point niya, third world pa din tayo, hindi tayo umuusad dahil sa ganitong mentality.
DeleteAnd using the term third world is politically incorrect and insensitive. Try using unprogressive para mas bet. #justsayin
ReplyDeleteDeveloping country is the politically correct term, Anon 10pm. Developed countries are known previously as the first world countries. WALA na ang terms na first & third world countries.
DeleteRegardless if developed or developing, progressive yung term pero dapat mas specific- there are conservative countries that are socially backward yet economically progressive.
DeleteWtf are you both blabbering about? He's clearly referring to a 3rd world mentality not anecessarily economic status.Wth
Delete1:42 It's not clear enough daw. Hahaha!
DeleteCorrect 1:42! Substance over form guys, substance over form.
Delete1:42 Init na init naman teh? And saying third world mentality instead of economic status doesn't make it any less insensitive. This topic has always been controversial and I think for good reason. Disagreements are sometimes necessary for check and balance. So chill :)
DeleteVery small share lang pala, gusto pa mgsindak
ReplyDeleteFor me dont allow us. Not bcoz i hate the xdressers dude. I really do love them. Kaso whenever I go to some bars in the metro at may mga xdressers, nagmumukang mga kabaret ung bar e. Pls dont get me wrong, high end bars should be high end.
ReplyDeleteAnd it seemed "high end" to you when women dress up the way these cross dressers dress up just because they are women?
DeleteGumawa na lang sila ng straight bar at lgbt bars para mas malinaw. Haha.
DeleteI abolish na din dress code sa mga fine dining resto, unfair hindi makamasa.
Yes, club equity tawag dyan. Pag pinapasok mo sila, cabaret o ala-brazil festival na. And this can annoy & destroy loyalty of their target customers, which is their target segment.
DeleteI don't hate dumb men, pero they should be banned in bars.
DeleteDon't get me wrong, high end bars should be high end and not let stupid men with low IQs and EQs inside.
"high end bars should be high end." - ang standard ng pagiging high-end ay nag-iiba over time, iba ang high-end nuon sa high-end ngayon, depende yan sa panahon, and time is changing, at yun ang point ni Vice when he said that these policies make us look na masyado tayong paurong mag-isip,
Deletethe term "third world" is hardly used by economists today. "developing nation" is more acceptable...
ReplyDeleteThe No Crossdressing Policy in any establishment is so DEVELOPING NATION. Ganern?
DeleteHahaha anon 12:22
DeleteUm. I beg to disagree. He is clearly referring to a 3rd world mentality not an economic status.
DeleteHahaha..natawa naman ako sayo anon 12:22..
DeleteOo nga..nawala yung impact ng statement nung iniba yung term..
Wahahaha! Ang sagwa nga nung statement pag pinalit ang developing nation! Nagmarunong pa kasi si 10:09 eh!
Deletego read some books at di puro tsismis laman ng utak...
DeleteAminin na lang na d2 sa pinas nagiging bastusin mga crossdressers because they overdo it, too exaggerated, too elaborate kadalasan. If its their policy so be it. Make valkyrie a membership bar and guests can get in only with the member or his authorization. The bar, i think is just concerned for the safety of theiir clients.
ReplyDeleteVice, sa US meron din bar na nagbabawal ng crossdressers kaya please stop feeling like you know it all. Talagang naka capslock pa third world ha
It's the policy that is so third world. It's how some people kahit na nasa US pa yan look at crossdressers, third world thinking. VG does not feel knowing it all. Ikaw, Anon 10:35 ang tipong knowing it all.
Deletei agree nakakaloko minsan ang mga crossdresser. mas wild pa sila sa girls pag nalasing. and dami naguguyo na guys. so i agree with that policy. dapat lang naman nsa lugar.
DeleteI don't get why people can't accept rules. It's privately-owned and the owners have the prerogative and personal reasons.
DeleteKorek - they want conyo kids and the p***-pare-wow crowd to go in and spend money instead of the general population.
DeleteGanyan na nga.
Ang ALTA niyo, JM. Sige lang go
Delete12:35 sorry pero this club is a public establishment so pag may pera ka na pambayad pasok ka na dapat. Para lang yan yung issue sa US na cake shop na nagsara after denying service to a gay customer. They were forced to close. Free enterprise works both ways, pay to receive service, render service to be paid. No exceptions, buts and ifs that is just purely based on gender or racial bias.
DeleteI'm sorry but hello Vegas??? Kamusta naman yung mga crossdressers dun? Marami sa kanila pareho din naman ang pananamit sa mga crossdressers natin dito, mas malala pa nga.
DeleteYes, they have the prerogative to be big*ted!
DeleteAnonymous 10:35.. Saan po sa US ang may Door Policy na crossdressers are not allowed? Please site specific examples? I dont think those bars are located in major cities.
Delete1:30 i know it is a public establishment thats why i suggested to make it a membership bar so there will be no issue who will they allow to get in . I was trying to imply that if there is inconsistencies in their policy better make it for members only
DeleteAlam ni Vice na ganyan ang exena sa Valkyrie since then. He should have made a move na sana instead of papasukin lang ang mga friends nya. Bakla din naman sya so he could have shown more empathy. Not mentioning na siya mismo eh nagdadamit pambabae on national TV.
ReplyDeleteMy stand here is neutral. Chos
ReplyDeletewinner!
DeleteI wonder how "small" his share is? But looks like andaming stockholders ng Valk. Wonderin what's Raymond Gutierrez' stand on this too?
ReplyDeleteI was waiting for Vice to make a stand on this. I did hear he is one of the many stockholders, who is also a very popular cross-dresser, so dapat talaga nun una pa lang hindi na naglagay ng ganyang policy.
ReplyDeleteTrying to be first world in a third world country is the true struggle.
ReplyDeletepara namang di kapani paniwala part owner ka tapos di mo alam nangyayari.matagal na hindi lang mga transgender ang me issue ng NOCROSSDRESSING ! I have read a lot of stories about their bad experiences in Valkyrie.Hay naku business is very competitive in the Philippines.Don;t think your business will go along way.Somebody should stop this discrimination and harassment on transgender.I have a son who's a transgender.He experienced all those things not only in bars but also in workplace and in school.As a mother it hurts when I hear that so,so unfair treatment.Everybody needs respect ! God never discriminates whether you are gay,lesbian,transgender or transexual.Who are you to judge ???
ReplyDeleteHYPOCRITE. So di niya alam all the long? Then he should fire the door security or whatever they call it. Kasi nakakapasok naman ibang becky na trans. So selective lang ang peg ganon. - i'm not even a beki, straight girl from taguig
ReplyDeletePlease Vice, let them maintain that policy. Valkyrie is supposed to be a hang.out place of classy and decent looking people. Masagwa kc mag dress ng babae kadalasan ang mga gays, no offense meant po
ReplyDeletetanung lang po! Ung po bang babaeng nakapantalon na maong eh pinapapasok pa din b sa Valkyrie kc d b crossdressing din un?.... May mga hard butch din kayang nakakapasok sa valkyrie?
ReplyDeletePerhaps it concerns the nature of being a club which is a dimlit ambiance that way could lead to confusion and deceit?
ReplyDeleteI think damage control ito,bilang part owner/shareholder I don't think Vice needs to air is concern about the said policy, they can ave a board meeting and talk about it...i just find it weird that he needs to react this way being an owner, if indeed it is something he is concerned about since there has been other incidents in the past...just wonderin'
ReplyDeleteEh d wag ipatronize. Wag pumunta. Sa iba na lang mag clubbing. Jusko ganon kasimple. Masyadong pinapalaki
ReplyDeleteAnobey kung may rights ang LGBT, may right din ang management ng club kung ano gusto nila gawin sa club nila. Kanila yun. Porket crossdresser hindi pinapasok, super big deal discrimination agad? Im sure kung babae yan na mataba or hindi kagandahan tapos hindi pinapasok ng club, waley kayo reaction, imbis pagtatawanan nyo pa.
ReplyDeleteIt's Valkyrie's right to impose their rules. Just like how door b*tches can refuse entry to customers if they don't think they're dressed appropriately or just because they don't look classy/attractive enough.
ReplyDeleteDba vice matgal ng policy yan ng valk bago kapa maging stockholder napah meetingan nyo na rin yan for sure and obviously you agreed stockholder ka nga eh dba so ano pinaglalaban m ngayon?
ReplyDeleteAs if naman may epekto sa negosyo ang pagpull out niya ng kakarampot niyang share. LOL
ReplyDeleteAnd we are indeed....third world!!! Kaya ganun
ReplyDeleteNagtataka nga ako how come nakapasok pa din si veejay floresca sa valk?
ReplyDeleteClub policy yan eh. Parang your house, your rules. If you can't comply with the house rule, wag kang pumasok. I love LGBT, pero babae nga pag Hindi club dress ang suot, bawal sa Valkyrie. But we comply to get in.
ReplyDeleteTRUEEEE. PEOPLE PLEASE READ THIS, ON POINT.
DeleteThe thing here is ang isa sa mga owner, known na crossdresser tas ang bar nag-iinarte magpapasok ng crossdresser? Parang house lang din yan, bawal ang baklang nagdadamit babae pero yung anak ng may-ari baklang nagdadamit babae. Ang labo lang diba?
DeleteWalang masama sa policy kung strictly followed. Eh kumusta naman yung pag VIP ka pwede pumasok ang crossdresser? Ang labo diba?
People always confuse "dress-codes" to a rule barring entrance to "cross-dressers." Magkaiba kasi yun e. Dress-codes apply to all, while the no entrance rule to cross-dressers apply only to a minority in society which are transgender women. These people who are born men(sorry to say this) do not even identify themselves as gay, but as real women. So its just natural for them to be in a dress like any natural born woman you know, so you can't say na "club policy" lang yan eh. Kaya please lang, let's educate ourselves regarding their plight so we can understand these people better before making our comments. Thank you.
DeleteTRUE. let's stop being social climbers. Kahit anong mangyari, at the end of the day, we still live in a poor country. #FACT
ReplyDeleteAng hirap kasi sa Pilipino, pinipilit pa nating gayahin yung lifestyle ng mga tao living in rich countries. We are poor. Sa kangkungan tayo bagay. Chos
ReplyDeleteImbis na bars ang ipatayo ng mga
ReplyDeleteBusinessmen na to bakit hindi nalang school or anything that would hone the talents of our youth. Daming uneducated people at dahil yan nakikita nila sa social media. Instead of them focusing on their studies, gusto nila 'in' na din sila. Kaya hindi tayo umuunlad. Pwe!
Edi umpisahan mo, magtayo ka ng school, gow!
DeleteTHIS!
DeletePinaglalaban mo?
DeleteEh di ikaw magpatayo non.
Deletekung yun ang policy nila dapat walang nakakalusot...check ng social media ang daming cross dresser na nakakapasok diyan
ReplyDeleteEdi mag pullout ka... Hinde ka naman kawalhan e..rules are rules. Deal with it!
ReplyDeleteTomooo hahaha. I stand neutral though. Obar nalang tayis mga baks!
DeleteRestaurants don't serve customers without shoes and shirts. I think it's their prerogative to enforce their own rules. It's for the safety & comfort of their own customers. If you don't agree, then don't patronize the establishment. Pull out your stock then, Vice.
ReplyDeletePapasukin man ang mga crossdressers or not, it won't change the fact that the Philippines is a third world country.
ReplyDeleteIkaw pang 4rth world ang utak mo!
DeleteOh at least alam na natin ang stand ni vheks... Kaya lang medyo obsolete na yung term na third world. Mas ok pa yung strike soil ni madam ekaterina.....
ReplyDeleteSi tessa prieto ba will be allowed to enter valkyrie without any hassle? What about si kevin balot? So ano bang issue nila talaga? The point is, rules are there to make things in order and to set standards. The problem is, it doesn't apply to all because the standard that they use is very subjective. Its very hypocritical to have vice ganda as one of the owners given their cross dressing policy, im sure sawang sawa na si vice whenever people ask him about it.
ReplyDeletePinapapasok si Balot. Kaya arbitrary talaga ang policy na yan.
DeletePretty sure transgender is different from cross dressers
Deletefor me lang kung may ganyan policy ang valkyrie edi maghanap ng ibang bar. valkyrie lang ba ang bar sa buong metro manila?? im not saying wala sila karapatan kaya lang policy nga eh. business nila yun so sarili nilang rules and regulation at may sarili din silang reason kung bakit.
ReplyDeleteDon't you think that if this club applies this policy, other clubs won't follow? The idea here is for them to act as a precedent to other clubs and establishments. Mali na nga, hahayaan pa natin? Just because they want to be?
Deletebakit naman mgfofollow ang ibang bar sa kanila hindi ba mas advantage pa nga ng ibang bar na sila walang ganyan policy atleast yung mga beki na cross dresser sa kanila pupunta. kanya kanya yan strategy para mas iba sila sa karamihan. eh hindi ba may mga bars naman talaga na may dress code before pa so wala naman yan pinagkaiba nagkataon lang sikat yang bar na yan.
DeleteAng daming ignorante pagdating sa "crossdressing" dito. Nakakahiya kayo
ReplyDeleteSo third world daw. Eh ateh nasaan ka bang bansa ka chusera ka!
ReplyDelete12:35 shunga ka naman. Di mo nagets ang point nya. LOL
DeleteHAHA! Nileteral ni 12:35. Yaan mo na 10:26. Hahahahaha!
DeletePero parang napaka-sarcastic ni Vice dun sa "VERY SMALL SHARE" niya.
ReplyDeleteFirst. We are living on a third world country
ReplyDeleteSecond. Iniiwasan lang nila magkaroon ng issue of hooking up with a crossdresser (like what happen in j. Laude case)
Third. May mga foreign invest Yan
And lastly .. Fourth. May mga lgbt friendly clubs naman yun nga dapat supportahan nyo kasi mahirap mag risk sa buss. And its a heterosexual clubs so expect rules like that
tingin ko mga nagrereklamo yung mga straight guys na nagogoyo ng mga trans..
ReplyDeleteyung iba kasing mga trans nandun para mambiktima ng mga nakainom at lasing .
the Ph is a third world country. Also, for that person who wasn't allowed to enter and said he'd never been treated that way in the US, you don't bring the US with you wherever you go, dear. Respect the rules of places you go to. America is not the center of the world.
ReplyDeleteSo true!!
Deleteagree! pinapalaki ang issue na to, hindi lang na take na she was snobbed, there's no such thing as discrimination on this issue eh yung ibang friends nga ni vice nakakapasok ng valkyrie
DeleteValkyrie caters to a certain type of people kasi. Who aren't really comfortable with that kind of people. Hindi kayo nag-business planning Vice?
ReplyDeleteYeah. Itong mga LGBT na 'to. Feeling aping-api. I feel it's really not about gender anymore. Crosssdressing is tacky.
DeleteSige pakipaliwanag ang "that kind of people." Ano ang diperensya ng isang Trixie Maristela na matalino at taga-UP at nang isang Kevin Balot na hindi marunong mag-Inggles? Pareho silang byukonerang trans. Si Trixie hindi pinapasok, si Kevin ay VIP. Pareho silang manamit - damit babae. Ano diperensya? Please enlighten us.
Deletewhat do you expect? you are living in a THIRD WORLD country
ReplyDeleteCheka, eh third world country naman talaga tayo hahahaha.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, kung policy talaga ng club yun, then so be it. Naibahagi na nila Veejay Floresca yung side nila, at mukhang di naman patitinag yung club so mag-party na lang sa ibang lugar, 'di ba? I see Valkyrie as a current trendy club, so obviously pagdating ng panahon the hype will die down and people will move on/stop going there. And maybe Valkyrie by then would somehow regret not doing anything about this, kasi at the end of the day this type of publicity could stop people from becoming 'loyal' customers.
Wow. Social climber problems.
ReplyDeletePero pag VIP PWEDE???? Kalokohan. Asan ang point
ReplyDeleteSo true ! If you are an ordinary customer sorry for you.But if you are a showbiz personality or socialites people or has connections inside Valkyrie kahit wala sa dress code nila pasok ! VIP treatment ka
DeleteGeez. So many people are misguided. This person is just criticizing the mentality of being so old fashioned and being narrow minded culture of which this club practices. There is no such thing as politically incorrect in this matter.
ReplyDeleteMore than anything their rules are discrimatory. What if ipagbawal din Ang mga panget sa megamall?
ReplyDeletesa mga nagtaas ng kilay sa 3rd world part ng comment: Vice was referring to the mentality not our country's economic status. Its a figure of speech
ReplyDeleteAnnon 1:56am u dont have to explain. Sadly mas madaming di nakakaintindi ng mga ganyan term. Minsan they take it literally. Hindi naman kasi lahat may mataas na level sa english. Konting pasensya
DeleteAs if naman Vice knew of this figure of speech. Fore sure,literal ang ibig nyang ipakahulugan dyan.
DeleteMay right ang club mag implement ng dress rules. Pero bilang investor at isa ring cross-dresser, tama lang i-pull out ni Vice ang share niya kasi parang sinasabi na si Vice, kung nagkataon di shareholder, di rin papasaukin. Invest na lang siya sa mas tugma sa kanyang beliefs.
ReplyDeleteMay karapatan sila magimplement ng dress rules basta CONSISTENT sila. Bakit ang ibang trans tulad nina Balot ay pinapapasok at ang iba tulad nina Veejay ay hindi?
Deletebat d informed c vice s policy ng business nila? hanggang financer lng ba sya? o me ibang nagse-set ng rules s grupo nila? baka po me nakaka alam ng sagot, paexplain po thanks
ReplyDeleteO Kala ko ba AYAW ni vice ganda ng cross dressing. D ba pinuna pa nya dati c Rustom padilla aka bb gandanghari na ok Lang nman daw maging beki wag Lang mag-ayos pambabae tapos un pala gagawin din nya later on. Ano yun super inggit Lang cya k Rustom?
ReplyDeletePara lang tayong bumalik sa time when women are not allowed to wear pants. Why can't a man wear a dress if he wants to? Madaling magsalita ng 'rules are rules' kung hindi ka naman affected. Pero pag inconvenient na sa inyo saka kayo magooutrage.
ReplyDeleteIf implements...susko eh hindi na nga nagpapasok ng cross dresser, pull out muna
ReplyDeleteE diba laging nasa valkyrie ung sila g3, kevin balot, etc... Baka kaya di pinapasok ung veejay, etc... kasi hindi mukhang sushal na crossdresser hehehe.
ReplyDeleteThere are a couple of things everyone needs to consider here. You have to understand and look at it from a business standpoint as well. Because, thus has happened to establishments like Hard Rock Cafe, that due to influx of foreign patrons - crossdressers took advantage and the place eventually became a hook-up place. Hard Rock lost its glory, lost its status, lost its regular patronage.
ReplyDeleteThis is a business decision, eventhough, unfortunately, it discriminates. And that is true, all business establishments has their own target market, and have the right to determine who they want inside their establishments to maintain that.
I don't agree with their business decision, however, I do not condone this as they have the right to their own rules, on a business perspective.
I, thank you.
Third world is a figure of speech/expression that means ignorance or backwardness, not the country.
ReplyDeleteMinsan nakakasawa na din ang lgbt sa kaka-push ng lgbt na yan, kala mo lagi silang kawawa.. Masyado silang nanghihingi ng acceptance pero sila di nila ma-accept na sa huli iba iba pa din ang view ng tao sa kanila.
ReplyDeleteDont get me wrong, i have gay and tomboy friends pero di naman sila tulad ng iba na masyadong uhaw sa acceptance, mga decent sila.
Respect is earned, hindi hinihingi. And yang cross dressing na yan tama lang naman yan! Nakakainis na din kasi na panay na lang gustong gumaya sa states ng mga lgbt, pwede ka namang maging bakla na decent, pwede kang tomboy na decent! Hindi yung andami dami mong hinihingi sa bansa mo porket democratic tayo at masyado nyo ina-achieve yung mga palatuntunan ng 1st world countries na wala ng morality.
Kung mas mahalaga sayo yang acceptance na yan kesa sa morality mo at ng tao sa paligid mo then goodluck!
EH third world country naman talga tayo teh, wait mo umunlad un bansa
ReplyDeleteBakit, hindi ba third world ang Pinas?
ReplyDeleteDoesn't vice know that even in first world countries such as the US, there are clubs that are not only uber exclusive but implement highly stringent rules such that they deny entrance/membership from any Real Housewife and talentless reality stars such as the Kardashians??? SOHO House anyone? - Baklang Valedictorian
ReplyDeleteTaray ng "very small share". Major major stakeholder kaya si Vice. lol.
ReplyDeleteSi Aiza Seguerra and Charice are also banned? Technically, they are cross dressers.
ReplyDeleteWow... so kapag pala ang LGBT community nag punta sa isang private establishment at hindi sila pinapasok dahil sa rules and regulation, homophobic na yung private establishment? Do you guys even think? Akala nyo ba puwede akong pumasok sa Shangrila ng naka tapak at walang tshirt? Please lang, don't use the word homophobic willy nilly kasi nawawala ang bisa nung word. Nagiging katatawanan nalang kayo.
ReplyDeleteWow... Anon 12:14. You're way off the mark bro, before making comments about the topic, I believe you need to understand the meaning of these words first: appropriate, dress-code, policy, gender, trans-gender, discrimination. Thank you.
DeleteMalamang may bad incident na yung club kaya sila nag-enforce ng ganitong rule. Anyway, Vice pullout your shares nalang and invest your money in a club that accepts crossdressing
ReplyDelete3rd world naman kasi ang Pinas vice. hahahaha
ReplyDeletebut anyways, i pull out na ang stocks mo dyan ng magtanda din kahit papano.
I say pull out your share if you feel so strongly about it. hindi yung binobroadcast mo pa.
ReplyDeleteDi makapag-antay teh? Me lakad?
Delete"This is a business rule and everyone should respect it. "
ReplyDeleteBullcrap. Hindi mo maaring sabihin maghanap na lang ng ibang bar ang isang transgender dahil siya ay hindi pinapasok sa isang establishment while the rest of us can get in without any hassle. Ito ay malinaw na discrimination. Hindi issue dito ang cross dressing. Mula pagka bata I'm sure transgender people had to endure discrimination, humiliation up until to the point where they can finally express who they are freely. So to be refused entry would be really hurtful. My point is, give them a break. Lahat tayo may karapatan na mag libang. We can't just accept a business rule na katulad ng sa Valkyrie. It's only causing confusion to others and dividing people. Ok lang na hindi makapasok sa Valkyrie. Long term resolution ang dapat. Ang mahalaga ay malinaw sa marami na transgender people are still discriminated and that it should be stopped.
let's face it. Not all crossdressers act decently and dress elegantly. A lot of crossdressers in a bar cheapens the place. Valkyrie wants to protect its reputation.
ReplyDeleteif that's the policy of the bar, then so be it. if you are not allowed there, then go somewhere else. wag ipagpilitan ang sarili sa isang lugar na hindi ka welcome.
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